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And here it is in a nutshell.

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
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    It applies not only to Manchin and Sinema, but to Collins, Cheney Kinzinger... anyone who votes what they think is best rather than toeing the party line.

    "That is, at root, what’s wrong with Washington today. It’s not, as ideologues tend to argue, that the other side has designs on destroying the country, or is hell-bent on fascism, or socialism, or whatever else. It’s that people with different views on big issues are so eager to castigate the other side as crazy or unAmerican, or worse, that they can’t even broach a discussion about how to move the country forward together."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whatever-happened-to-objecting-in-good-faith/ar-AAZS5B0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bee6d770e119489ca1636f6e61316c19

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

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        @Jolly said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

        Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

        That's one thing I never hear out of the likes of Shapiro and Prager. "Well yes, there are two parties in America but we're always the adults in the room. All the time, on every issue, in every context. We will always be the reasonable ones." Which, horseshit. Political figures will always take that angle, which, fine, but they aren't political figures and in an ideal democracy, iron sharpens iron.

        Please love yourself.

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          Is there room for a third party?

          What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

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            Third parties do not work.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
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              The problem that a third party would have is establishing its clear principles. As hypocritical as the existing parties are, there is a clear line between them.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                Is there room for a third party?

                What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

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                @taiwan_girl said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

                Is there room for a third party?

                What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

                You'd need a candidate who is very popular (or has a large passionate base) like Trump or Obama, but they would need to run as a new party. Combine that with needing really weak candidates on the left and the right, that could potentially allow a new party to win and solidify a potential base for a new 3rd party, but.......eventually it will always distill down to 2 parties. It's just how American sports are done. 1v1

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                • 89th8 89th

                  @taiwan_girl said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

                  Is there room for a third party?

                  What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

                  You'd need a candidate who is very popular (or has a large passionate base) like Trump or Obama, but they would need to run as a new party. Combine that with needing really weak candidates on the left and the right, that could potentially allow a new party to win and solidify a potential base for a new 3rd party, but.......eventually it will always distill down to 2 parties. It's just how American sports are done. 1v1

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                  @89th You are probably right.

                  I did read a business article one time and that article was saying that the best number of companies in an industry is 3.

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