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And here it is in a nutshell.

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    Mik
    wrote on 23 Jul 2022, 15:38 last edited by Mik
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    It applies not only to Manchin and Sinema, but to Collins, Cheney Kinzinger... anyone who votes what they think is best rather than toeing the party line.

    "That is, at root, what’s wrong with Washington today. It’s not, as ideologues tend to argue, that the other side has designs on destroying the country, or is hell-bent on fascism, or socialism, or whatever else. It’s that people with different views on big issues are so eager to castigate the other side as crazy or unAmerican, or worse, that they can’t even broach a discussion about how to move the country forward together."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whatever-happened-to-objecting-in-good-faith/ar-AAZS5B0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bee6d770e119489ca1636f6e61316c19

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      Jolly
      wrote on 23 Jul 2022, 15:42 last edited by
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      Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        23 Jul 2022, 15:42

        Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

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        @Jolly said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

        Which is why, one side or the other has to be destroyed at the ballot box. I pray it is the Left. Not that conservatives will be God's gift to government - I have a firm belief they can screw things up - but it will allow the Left to possibly become classic liberals once again.

        That's one thing I never hear out of the likes of Shapiro and Prager. "Well yes, there are two parties in America but we're always the adults in the room. All the time, on every issue, in every context. We will always be the reasonable ones." Which, horseshit. Political figures will always take that angle, which, fine, but they aren't political figures and in an ideal democracy, iron sharpens iron.

        Please love yourself.

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          wrote on 24 Jul 2022, 01:43 last edited by
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          Is there room for a third party?

          What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

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            wrote on 24 Jul 2022, 12:28 last edited by
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            Third parties do not work.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Mik
              wrote on 24 Jul 2022, 12:34 last edited by
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              The problem that a third party would have is establishing its clear principles. As hypocritical as the existing parties are, there is a clear line between them.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                24 Jul 2022, 01:43

                Is there room for a third party?

                What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

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                @taiwan_girl said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

                Is there room for a third party?

                What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

                You'd need a candidate who is very popular (or has a large passionate base) like Trump or Obama, but they would need to run as a new party. Combine that with needing really weak candidates on the left and the right, that could potentially allow a new party to win and solidify a potential base for a new 3rd party, but.......eventually it will always distill down to 2 parties. It's just how American sports are done. 1v1

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                  24 Jul 2022, 12:38

                  @taiwan_girl said in And here it is in a nutshell.:

                  Is there room for a third party?

                  What are the obstacles to one that would be the 25-35% of the middle base?

                  You'd need a candidate who is very popular (or has a large passionate base) like Trump or Obama, but they would need to run as a new party. Combine that with needing really weak candidates on the left and the right, that could potentially allow a new party to win and solidify a potential base for a new 3rd party, but.......eventually it will always distill down to 2 parties. It's just how American sports are done. 1v1

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                  wrote on 24 Jul 2022, 16:19 last edited by
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                  @89th You are probably right.

                  I did read a business article one time and that article was saying that the best number of companies in an industry is 3.

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