AOC dragged away in chains!
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I'm not sure what is the best course of action.
She and the others need to be made to understand how inappropriate were her actions as a member of the US Congress. But what are the optics if she's tried in a court of law? Do the PTB want to risk leaving the impression that demonstrating is against the law? Demonstrating is okay for the populace -- is a good thing, in fact; it gives the people a peaceful means to express their views and let off steam -- but is inexpressibly inappropriate and what Jolly calls head-bangingly stupid for a member of Congress to do so.
Was a time when I believed the public would understand the difference, but in these emotive times, I no longer believe they understand much of anything, and I was probably wrong to believe it in the first place.
I could care less what happens to those jackasses. They can fall off a bridge for all of me. But Congress has a responsibility to uphold its role of dignity and decorum and most of all relevance in the eyes of the public.
They can't let this go, but what do they do? Maybe the best course is to wink at a dismissal of the charges (by some plausible rationale) and then censure them in Congress. Do it in a way that the public understands the seriousness of what they did.
I dunno.
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Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so. Show me the mugshots, show me them being read their Miranda Rights, show me the fingerprinting…
They were escorted away and at their insistence it is being called an arrest…
The Brad
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Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so. Show me the mugshots, show me them being read their Miranda Rights, show me the fingerprinting…
They were escorted away and at their insistence it is being called an arrest…
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so. Show me the mugshots, show me them being read their Miranda Rights, show me the fingerprinting…
They were escorted away and at their insistence it is being called an arrest…
Thank you for the accurate framing.
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Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so. Show me the mugshots, show me them being read their Miranda Rights, show me the fingerprinting…
They were escorted away and at their insistence it is being called an arrest…
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.
Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
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@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.
Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
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Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
It was performative but that doesn’t mean it was a smoky room conspiracy. Could be that the Capitol police informed them they had to leave or be arrested, and they eagerly agreed to be arrested. Then the social media operator for the Capitol police played their part and tweeted in support of the narrative that was understood to be the point.
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@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.
Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.
Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
You do realize that The Capitol Police is not DC Police? They work directly for The Capitol and report directly to the Speaker of the House. And it’s not exactly a big deal to get them to send out a tweet emphasizing the “arrested”.
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@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
Please, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. The Capitol Police specifically tweeted that they had arrested 17 members of Congress? They were asked/told to do so.
By whom?
If this is a publicity stunt, then we're deeper down in the rabbit hole than I for one realized. These women may be -- okay, are -- idiots, but they're members of Congress. Why on earth would the Capitol police go along with such an outrageous stunt? Who specifically has the clout to order them to do such a thing?
Not saying your version is wrong. But it feels like too bizarre a stretch. And just because you're not seeing the due process doesn't mean it isn't happening. Or -- and this is probably more likely -- there is no due process and they're being held to keep their stupid yaps off the cameras and making everything worse.
Thinking about this some more, I wonder if this is in fact more serious than we realize. I don't know enough about Constitutional implications of separation of powers to know if they're threatened somehow. It doesn't seem like it, but if there is some threat there, it's going to be a pretty big deal.
I kind of doubt it, though.
You do realize that The Capitol Police is not DC Police? They work directly for The Capitol and report directly to the Speaker of the House. And it’s not exactly a big deal to get them to send out a tweet emphasizing the “arrested”.
@LuFins-Dad said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
You do realize that The Capitol Police is not DC Police?
Yes, LuFin, I do realize that. I fucking lived there for 13 years.
Although we are subjected to comic book news, we do not live in a comic book world. (You do realize that, don't you?) It may be as simple as Pelosi calling the Capitol Chief and ordering him to do something and bing-bang, it's done, but there's probably a lot more to it, because Washington.
I also can't see the Speaker making that overt a move. But I don't know. Like practically everything that goes on in Washington, we out here don't usually get the whole story.
It may have happened as you say. It may have happened a dozen other ways.
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At 2:30AM, there is a news embargo at Google on the arrests. Everything is old news. I'm thinking the PTB are using the time to huddle and decide what to do next.
It could be that there is no news because there is nothing to report. But that wouldn't stop the many opinion pieces and various huing and crying and expert prognostications that you'd expect normally.
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@Mik said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
This is all such bullshit, . . .
I appreciate the photo George posted showing AOL's wrists. Now we know who's lying.
How many other times has she lied?
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@Mik said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
This is all such bullshit, . . .
I appreciate the photo George posted showing AOL's wrists. Now we know who's lying.
How many other times has she lied?
@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
@Mik said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
This is all such bullshit, . . .
I appreciate the photo George posted showing AOL's wrists. Now we know who's lying.
How many other times has she lied?
She invented a colorful rationalization about how it’s best practice to put your hands behind your back like that, to make sure the cop does not do violence to you.
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I don't understand anything.
Members of the US Congress are arrested and there's no reaction from the Congressional leadership? I was willing to wait awhile, give them time to develop a response, but it's been three days, and nothing. And we don't know where the arrestees are, even. Are they in custody? Are they in their home districts? On the House floor conducting business as usual? What's their status going through criminal processing wise?
Is this not a big deal to the PTB?
I understand, even agree, that it's not a big deal given the idiots involved; but shouldn't there be protocol for this?
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I don't understand anything.
Members of the US Congress are arrested and there's no reaction from the Congressional leadership? I was willing to wait awhile, give them time to develop a response, but it's been three days, and nothing. And we don't know where the arrestees are, even. Are they in custody? Are they in their home districts? On the House floor conducting business as usual? What's their status going through criminal processing wise?
Is this not a big deal to the PTB?
I understand, even agree, that it's not a big deal given the idiots involved; but shouldn't there be protocol for this?
@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
I don't understand anything.
Members of the US Congress are arrested and there's no reaction from the Congressional leadership? I was willing to wait awhile, give them time to develop a response, but it's been three days, and nothing. And we don't know where the arrestees are, even. Are they in custody? Are they in their home districts? On the House floor conducting business as usual? What's their status going through criminal processing wise?
Is this not a big deal to the PTB?
I understand, even agree, that it's not a big deal given the idiots involved; but shouldn't there be protocol for this?
Their crime was presumably trespassing, so they had to be physically removed from the location. That means attest. If a cop needs to physically move you and you do not move, then they have to arrest you. I mean in theory. I am sure they apply force on occasion without arrest, but if they ask someone to move and the person refuses, then arrest is the only option. But if the person really only wanted to be arrested, and the cop isn’t feeling like taking them in, and the crime can be ticketed for on the spot, the cop can choose to write a ticket and let you go. That’s what happened here. AOC and the others, when they went, did not go back to trespassing. Because their goal had already been fulfilled. I don’t think there is any real lying going on. But it was entirely performative. But then 99% of protestors getting arrested is performative
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@Catseye3 said in AOC dragged away in chains!:
I don't understand anything.
Members of the US Congress are arrested and there's no reaction from the Congressional leadership? I was willing to wait awhile, give them time to develop a response, but it's been three days, and nothing. And we don't know where the arrestees are, even. Are they in custody? Are they in their home districts? On the House floor conducting business as usual? What's their status going through criminal processing wise?
Is this not a big deal to the PTB?
I understand, even agree, that it's not a big deal given the idiots involved; but shouldn't there be protocol for this?
Their crime was presumably trespassing, so they had to be physically removed from the location. That means attest. If a cop needs to physically move you and you do not move, then they have to arrest you. I mean in theory. I am sure they apply force on occasion without arrest, but if they ask someone to move and the person refuses, then arrest is the only option. But if the person really only wanted to be arrested, and the cop isn’t feeling like taking them in, and the crime can be ticketed for on the spot, the cop can choose to write a ticket and let you go. That’s what happened here. AOC and the others, when they went, did not go back to trespassing. Because their goal had already been fulfilled. I don’t think there is any real lying going on. But it was entirely performative. But then 99% of protestors getting arrested is performative
