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"Stand down. Do not pursue."

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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    @Aqua-Letifer said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

    The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit.

    What does that have to do with why the boss terminated the chase?

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    Aqua Letifer
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    #6

    @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

    @Aqua-Letifer said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

    The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit.

    What does that have to do with why the boss terminated the chase?

    Read the policy. The way it's written, any reason at all to terminate a chase can be justified. And the new policy states upfront that, without caveats, no one will be reprimanded for terminating a chase.

    Please love yourself.

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      It’s known as the Uvalde clause.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        It’s known as the Uvalde clause.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        #8

        @Mik said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

        It’s known as the Uvalde clause.

        Basically.

        Please love yourself.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #9

          We went from

          Pay for performance
          to defund
          to fund, but don't do anything

          maybe we should have stopped at defund

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            @Aqua-Letifer said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

            The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit.

            What does that have to do with why the boss terminated the chase?

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            LuFins Dad
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            #10

            @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

            @Aqua-Letifer said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

            The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit.

            What does that have to do with why the boss terminated the chase?

            What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?

            What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?

            What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?

            If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

              @Aqua-Letifer said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

              The Chicago Police Department introduced a new vehicle pursuit policy in August 2020. The order provides officers with 11 pages of instructions that they must consider when deciding if a vehicle should be pursued. It specifically states that CPD will not discipline any member for ending a motor vehicle pursuit.

              What does that have to do with why the boss terminated the chase?

              What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?

              What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?

              What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?

              If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

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              Catseye3
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              @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

              What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?
              What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?
              What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?
              If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

              And you know this was the brass' reasoning? Were you there?

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?
                What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?
                What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?
                If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

                And you know this was the brass' reasoning? Were you there?

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                LuFins Dad
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                #12

                @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?
                What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?
                What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?
                If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

                And you know this was the brass' reasoning? Were you there?

                Nope. Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                  @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                  What are the chances that the three armed murderers on the run surrender?
                  What are the chances that at least one officer gets shot?
                  What are the chances that any or all of the murderers get shot?
                  If the murderers do get shot and even if the shooting is perfectly justifiable, what are the chances that these police officers wind up sacrificing their careers and having their lives ruined?

                  And you know this was the brass' reasoning? Were you there?

                  Nope. Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

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                  Catseye3
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                  Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

                  My original point was to why the reason was not included in the story. Yes, I was curious about why the termination, but that was secondary to the fact that the reporter didn't see fit to include the reason for it. It seemed pretty glaring as an omission.

                  Maybe it was "obvious" to you, but it's a poor reporter who leaves some part of the coverage to the assumption of the reader.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                    Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

                    My original point was to why the reason was not included in the story. Yes, I was curious about why the termination, but that was secondary to the fact that the reporter didn't see fit to include the reason for it. It seemed pretty glaring as an omission.

                    Maybe it was "obvious" to you, but it's a poor reporter who leaves some part of the coverage to the assumption of the reader.

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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    #14

                    @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                    @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                    Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

                    My original point was to why the reason was not included in the story. Yes, I was curious about why the termination, but that was secondary to the fact that the reporter didn't see fit to include the reason for it. It seemed pretty glaring as an omission.

                    Maybe it was "obvious" to you, but it's a poor reporter who leaves some part of the coverage to the assumption of the reader.

                    Have you ever called up police "brass" as you put it to get clarification on a story you're writing about them? Would you like to know how those conversations go?

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                      @LuFins-Dad said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                      Wasn't there when the cat ate the canary, either, but the reason is still pretty obvious.

                      My original point was to why the reason was not included in the story. Yes, I was curious about why the termination, but that was secondary to the fact that the reporter didn't see fit to include the reason for it. It seemed pretty glaring as an omission.

                      Maybe it was "obvious" to you, but it's a poor reporter who leaves some part of the coverage to the assumption of the reader.

                      Have you ever called up police "brass" as you put it to get clarification on a story you're writing about them? Would you like to know how those conversations go?

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      @Aqua-Letifer Jesus, forget it. I asked a simple question. Didn't mean to get everybody's panties in a wad.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        @Aqua-Letifer Jesus, forget it. I asked a simple question. Didn't mean to get everybody's panties in a wad.

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                        @Catseye3 said in "Stand down. Do not pursue.":

                        @Aqua-Letifer Jesus, forget it. I asked a simple question. Didn't mean to get everybody's panties in a wad.

                        If Aqua is wearing panties, then you are a trans hater for disagreeing with him.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          I’m sorry, but I thought you were really looking for an answer to your question, not criticizing the way the report was written. It’s one of the problems with the medium, “tone of voice” doesn’t translate…

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            I’m sorry, but I thought you were really looking for an answer to your question, not criticizing the way the report was written. It’s one of the problems with the medium, “tone of voice” doesn’t translate…

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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @LuFins-Dad No prob.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              Having had one friend killed at age 23 by a guy fleeing a police chase downtown, I kind of understand the policy. Cincinnati police have a similar one

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Correlation is not causation, but do ya think that the plummeting arrest rate might have something to do as to why crime is rising?

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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