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GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #1

    All this is well and good, but no one I have seen has come up with an answer of how the additional power demands will be met. Plus, I'm not impressed with 10-20 minutes to go up to 120 miles.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/gm-reveals-its-nationwide-fast-charging-plan-to-solve-electric-cars-biggest-problem/ar-AAZCChi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8fbcc4688d6940d1b86ff4f6c4d3b5d0

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      Yeah, nice.

      Now, wait until the next summer when they tell you to turn off your A/C to reduce strain on the grid.

      Here's a picture of the electricity before it's processed to get to your local charging station:

      main-qimg-46e055672817377f244dd70e44a10398-c-1220648485.jpeg

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        I'm not against EVs. Far from it. But this push is premature.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          I'm not against EVs. Far from it. But this push is premature.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

          I'm not against EVs. Far from it. But this push is premature.

          Agreed. Not ready. If I had a house with a garage where I could charge overnight, I'd consider it. But any apartment/condo dweller is SOL.

          A have a friend who was an early adopter - he bought a Tesla S. He absolutely loves it, but for him, charging is not an issue.

          Until, that is, he decides to go on a road trip from the western suburbs of Chicago to California or Oregon. His facebook feeds depict the trips, and they are littered with comments like, "Nice drive today and we stopped for lunch while charging," and "Good advantage of the chance to do some shopping while charging.

          No thanks.

          Who wants to spend an hour while "topping off?" Not me.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            It's my understanding that parts of California are asking drivers not to charge their cars during certain time periods.

            So your charging time may be longer than you think...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              Texas is doing the same. Asking drivers not to charge during 'peak times'. Like summer.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                  I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                  What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                  I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                  We never have (hurricanes) those...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                    I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                    MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                    What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                    I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                    In that case the gas pumps won't work either.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                      What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                      I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                      In that case the gas pumps won't work either.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                      What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                      I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                      In that case the gas pumps won't work either.

                      Not necessarily...Stations down here, or at least some of them, run their pumps at specified hours using generators. As long as they have gas, anyway....

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                        What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                        I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                        In that case the gas pumps won't work either.

                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                        What happens when you have a natural disaster that knocks out the local grid for a week?

                        I still lean towards combining technologies on the short term. Flex fuel hybrids. You could have them rolling off the line in 18 months.

                        In that case the gas pumps won't work either.

                        Jolly’s already pointed out that a lot of Gas Stations can run their pumps off a generator, and if worse comes to worse there’s always a hand pump and a hose…

                        The Brad

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

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                            89th
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                            Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

                            The irony of biking for 4 days in order to be able to drive. You’d be able to bike farther than you’ll end up driving! Lol

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

                              LuFins DadL Offline
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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #14

                              @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                              Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

                              I'm not even sure you can run a Pelaton without electricity!

                              The Brad

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                              • CopperC Offline
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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

                                We're going to need a really big museum.

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                                • CopperC Copper

                                  And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

                                  We're going to need a really big museum.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @Copper said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                                  And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

                                  We're going to need a really big museum.

                                  You misspelled "landfill."

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/florida-family-drives-into-electric-car-problem-a-replacement-battery-costs-more-than-vehicle-itself/ar-AAZGl89?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0e10afb3124942c886843dadd2abf858

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      Wowsers.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        It's a real problem. Just like with computers, the batteries are proprietary and will evolve over time, making it impractical to maintain inventories of older models. One of two things will happen until they become standardized - either the cars will become disposable, or the batteries will be interchangeable. For the foreseeable future I think it will be the former.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          Even with batteries that can be replaced...At one time it was thought you'd just replace the battery that went bad. That doesn't work. When one starts to go, you might as well replace the whole thing.

                                          Refurb batteries don't work well, either. They cost less, but do not last as long as new, negating the cost difference.

                                          I think a market niche for electric cars exist, but the grid will not support a mass infusion of them and they are useless in much of America.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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