About 5%

[Mik]

Just got back from the gym and the grocery. Zero masks.

[Jolly]

Yet, COVID is kicking down here.

Masks are few and far between.

[Horace]

Apparently the moral panic is over, and the panic mongers have retreated.

Presumably, at least one person died because not everybody is focused on wearing a mask. That is blood on everybody's hands. Or something.

[89th]

Guess we will see if the fall/winter spike is a seasonal thing or not. We've hit relatively low (death) rates each of the past 3 summers.

[Jolly]

@89th said in About 5%:

Guess we will see if the fall/winter spike is a seasonal thing or not. We've hit relatively low (death) rates each of the past 3 summers.

We have few admissions, but dude, I'm telling you it's pretty prevalent down here.

[89th]

@Jolly said in About 5%:

We have few admissions, but dude, I'm telling you it's pretty prevalent down here.

There's a wave going through my corporate office too. Perhaps these are the cases before the increase in deaths?

[Doctor Phibes]

It feels to me as though the numbers aren't accurate. I know a ton of people who've had it over the last couple of months.

[Jolly]

Numbers are only as good as what's reported. With the advent of home testing, fuhgeddabout accurate case numbers.

[jon-nyc]

Accurate case numbers come from waste water.

You can not report, but you can’t not shit.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in About 5%:

Numbers are only as good as what's reported. With the advent of home testing, fuhgeddabout accurate case numbers.

Yeah, I don't think anybody's reporting it. I certainly wouldn't bother unless I got proper sick.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in About 5%:

Accurate case numbers come from waste water.

You can not report, but you can’t not shit.

Gives you an idea, but not always concrete numbers. How many states report wastewater numbers as Public Health numbers?

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly

My understanding is the CDC tracks a number of metropolitan areas that numbers in the low hundreds.

Useful for giving a national picture but not useful for telling you the state of (say) Peoria IL, Oceana, CA, or Merritt Island, FL

[taiwan_girl]

Cases up, but severe sickness and hospital stays are down.

Vaccinations for the win. LOL

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in About 5%:

Cases up, but severe sickness and hospital stays are down.

Vaccinations for the win. LOL

Maybe. Maybe not.

Got data for mortality on vaxx vs. non-vaxx?

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in About 5%:

@taiwan_girl said in About 5%:

Cases up, but severe sickness and hospital stays are down.

Vaccinations for the win. LOL

Maybe. Maybe not.

Got data for mortality on vaxx vs. non-vaxx?

And please keep the data within the time that the vaccines were readily available.

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad said in About 5%:

@Jolly said in About 5%:

@taiwan_girl said in About 5%:

Cases up, but severe sickness and hospital stays are down.

Vaccinations for the win. LOL

Maybe. Maybe not.

Got data for mortality on vaxx vs. non-vaxx?

And please keep the data within the time that the vaccines were readily available.

2022 July 13 report by the state of Washington:
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Go to page 8 to see hospitalization rates then death rates, separated by vaccination status.

[Jolly]

By their own admission, the death rate for people under 65 was so low - vaxxed or not - the data was essentially worthless.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in About 5%:

By their own admission, the death rate for people under 65 was so low - vaxxed or not - the data was essentially worthless.

It's not just death rates. Hospitalization rates are important, and three times higher for the unvaccinated.

[Jolly]

It's different now, though.

We don't have COVID wards like we did...Around here, they now put them in negative pressure rooms on the regular med floors.

And it seems like we don't see the 40-something with no comorbidities dying with COVID.

So, who needs to be vaccinated? Elderly folks and people with comorbidities. In young people, especially teenage guys, we may be doing more harm than good. I think we need to take a deep breath, realize COVID is endemic, look at the limitations of the vaccines and revaluate when and how often someone needs to be
vaccinated .

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in About 5%:

It's different now, though.

We don't have COVID wards like we did...Around here, they now put them in negative pressure rooms on the regular med floors.

And it seems like we don't see the 40-something with no comorbidities dying with COVID.

So, who needs to be vaccinated? Elderly folks and people with comorbidities. In young people, especially teenage guys, we may be doing more harm than good. I think we need to take a deep breath, realize COVID is endemic, look at the limitations of the vaccines and revaluate when and how often someone needs to be
vaccinated .

I'm happy for them to re-evaluate if they do it properly. So many of the decisions associated with this seem to be politically motivated, particularly in the US, which is really unfortunate. The last thing we need is talking heads driving health policy.