Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:52 last edited by
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:54 last edited by
Maybe she'd drunk bleach?
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:56 last edited by
I'm thinking windmill cancer.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 23:01 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
Must be it.
We still know very little about it.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 23:36 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:13 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:55 last edited by@Loki said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
Right. So let's do what you just suggested.
2% of infected cases for patients age 20 to 44 go to the ICU. That's the very lower limit. About one in 50. The uniform chances of getting struck by lightning, ever, is 1 in 3,000. And that's the very upper limit. So even if you fudge the numbers in your favor, the ICU cases for young people / lightning strike argument is a horrendous false equivalence. Winning the lottery is even more so.
Now, you can say that's unfair, because not everyone is going to get infected, so the odds of any young person going to the ICU for COVID, including those who never get the disease, makes the "lightning strike" comparison valid. But in order to get the 1 in 3,000 odds for ICU patients in that demographic, infections would have to cap at 1.6% of young people for the ICU percentage to be the same as getting struck by lightning. Please tell me how we're going to do that.
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:59 last edited by@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
What would a ‘sucker punch’ mean in this context other than we’re being lied to?
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 02:19 last edited by
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
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For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 12:26 last edited by@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
It might be whataboutism when something happens to one person of a group and you say what about the other billion.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
It might be whataboutism when something happens to one person of a group and you say what about the other billion.
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 14:51 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Dec 2020, 14:52
Its not every discussion, the straw men mostly show up with you and the whattaboutism generally follows GOP criticism.
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@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 14:54 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Dec 2020, 14:54@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
again, jon, I'm more than willing to meet you half way here. If you will acknowledge that you straw manned me by claiming I thought this thing was a hoax, I will give some attention to satisfying your curiosity here. Now you go ahead.
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:08 last edited by
No, it wasn't a straw man, I actually thought your position was that you were being lied to.
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:09 last edited by
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:10 last edited by
Mr. Biden will take care of the public health
But we cannot let this -- we’ve never allowed any crisis from a Civil War straight through to a pandemic in ‘17, all the way around, in ’16, we have never, never let our democracy take second fiddle, we can both have a democracy and elections and at the same time protect the public health.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-20-joe-biden-secretary-mark-esper/story?id=69981088
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:16 last edited by
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
Possibly you're just being sarcastic sometimes but either way its not even attempting good faith discussion.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
Possibly you're just being sarcastic sometimes but either way its not even attempting good faith discussion.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
Possibly you're just being sarcastic sometimes but either way its not even attempting good faith discussion.
That horse left town twenty years ago.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
Possibly you're just being sarcastic sometimes but either way its not even attempting good faith discussion.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
And you believe I am always being disingenuous when you claim I straw man your arguments?
Possibly you're just being sarcastic sometimes but either way its not even attempting good faith discussion.
There is also the chance that you sometimes write imprecisely and when I read and respond to what you write, rather than what you thought you meant, you immediately slip into accusation mode. Which, by the way, does not speak to world class intellectual honesty and integrity. Just so you know.