Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid
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Check out the photo of the old lungs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/health/coronavirus-lung-transplant.html?
The tone of the article is like she’s out of the woods. She’s not.
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If the disease doesn't do that to 99.99% of people who get the disease, is it the disease that did it?
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Blood type?
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Oh, Loki - 20s, none.
Hi. My god, that lung.
It’s quite a statement to say she was healthy and then to say this happened. I mean if it didn’t happen to others what is the explanation? I will leave it to doctors to say either, well, this can happen in very rare circumstances, these we don’t understand Or there is something about her that we haven’t figured out yet.
The odds are the odds and I did see that if you are 15 your odds are 10,000 times better than if you are 80. So no, it can’t strike anyone- unless your definition is that if anyone gets it than anyone can get it.
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Oh, Loki - 20s, none.
Hi. My god, that lung.
It’s quite a statement to say she was healthy and then to say this happened. I mean if it didn’t happen to others what is the explanation? I will leave it to doctors to say either, well, this can happen in very rare circumstances, these we don’t understand Or there is something about her that we haven’t figured out yet.
The odds are the odds and I did see that if you are 15 your odds are 10,000 times better than if you are 80. So no, it can’t strike anyone- unless your definition is that if anyone gets it than anyone can get it.
@Loki said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
unless your definition is that if anyone gets it than anyone can get it.
That's our current understanding. It's literally that. There are some things we know about that affect the odds, but clearly there are many more unknowns that affect them more. I think chances are we'll figure them out in time, but drawing conclusions like "she was secretly unhealthy" because it doesn't fit our extremely vague understanding of the disease is silly.
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There was at least one other Covid-caused bilateral lung transplant performed in China early this year. There was a paper on it in Medrxiv a while ago.
Yeah I track 'lung transplant and covid', though mainly to follow write ups about people who get Covid post-tx.
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Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
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I just recognize the rhetorical punch stories of destroyed organs have, and am wondering whether that punch is a sucker punch. I mean you could increase the death count by 1 or 2 or whatever number of people had their lungs destroyed and it wouldn't matter but this story has value. So I wonder if it's in any way actually important to people's risk assessment.
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Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
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Maybe she'd drunk bleach?
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
@Loki said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
Right. So let's do what you just suggested.
2% of infected cases for patients age 20 to 44 go to the ICU. That's the very lower limit. About one in 50. The uniform chances of getting struck by lightning, ever, is 1 in 3,000. And that's the very upper limit. So even if you fudge the numbers in your favor, the ICU cases for young people / lightning strike argument is a horrendous false equivalence. Winning the lottery is even more so.
Now, you can say that's unfair, because not everyone is going to get infected, so the odds of any young person going to the ICU for COVID, including those who never get the disease, makes the "lightning strike" comparison valid. But in order to get the 1 in 3,000 odds for ICU patients in that demographic, infections would have to cap at 1.6% of young people for the ICU percentage to be the same as getting struck by lightning. Please tell me how we're going to do that.
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
What would a ‘sucker punch’ mean in this context other than we’re being lied to?
