Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Oh, Loki - 20s, none.
Hi. My god, that lung.
It’s quite a statement to say she was healthy and then to say this happened. I mean if it didn’t happen to others what is the explanation? I will leave it to doctors to say either, well, this can happen in very rare circumstances, these we don’t understand Or there is something about her that we haven’t figured out yet.
The odds are the odds and I did see that if you are 15 your odds are 10,000 times better than if you are 80. So no, it can’t strike anyone- unless your definition is that if anyone gets it than anyone can get it.
wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 20:26 last edited by@Loki said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
unless your definition is that if anyone gets it than anyone can get it.
That's our current understanding. It's literally that. There are some things we know about that affect the odds, but clearly there are many more unknowns that affect them more. I think chances are we'll figure them out in time, but drawing conclusions like "she was secretly unhealthy" because it doesn't fit our extremely vague understanding of the disease is silly.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 20:31 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Nov 2020, 20:33
There was at least one other Covid-caused bilateral lung transplant performed in China early this year. There was a paper on it in Medrxiv a while ago.
Yeah I track 'lung transplant and covid', though mainly to follow write ups about people who get Covid post-tx.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 20:31 last edited by
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
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Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:04 last edited by@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:22 last edited by
I just recognize the rhetorical punch stories of destroyed organs have, and am wondering whether that punch is a sucker punch. I mean you could increase the death count by 1 or 2 or whatever number of people had their lungs destroyed and it wouldn't matter but this story has value. So I wonder if it's in any way actually important to people's risk assessment.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:52 last edited by
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:54 last edited by
Maybe she'd drunk bleach?
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 22:56 last edited by
I'm thinking windmill cancer.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 23:01 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
Must be it.
We still know very little about it.
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 23:36 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:13 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:55 last edited by@Loki said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Surely we know about most if not all of the cases of this. What percentage of infections result in this? Do we ever see this in people not infected by covid?
It sounds like want the virus not to be responsible.
No but it’s helpful for a young person to know for example if the odds approximate winning the lottery or being hit by lightening. It’s important for the young to think like scientists and understand what to be concerned with, right?
Right. So let's do what you just suggested.
2% of infected cases for patients age 20 to 44 go to the ICU. That's the very lower limit. About one in 50. The uniform chances of getting struck by lightning, ever, is 1 in 3,000. And that's the very upper limit. So even if you fudge the numbers in your favor, the ICU cases for young people / lightning strike argument is a horrendous false equivalence. Winning the lottery is even more so.
Now, you can say that's unfair, because not everyone is going to get infected, so the odds of any young person going to the ICU for COVID, including those who never get the disease, makes the "lightning strike" comparison valid. But in order to get the 1 in 3,000 odds for ICU patients in that demographic, infections would have to cap at 1.6% of young people for the ICU percentage to be the same as getting struck by lightning. Please tell me how we're going to do that.
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@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 00:59 last edited by@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
Maybe the transplant team at Northwestern is in on the hoax.
I see your sensitivity to straw man arguments is strictly one way. Good to know.
What would a ‘sucker punch’ mean in this context other than we’re being lied to?
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 02:19 last edited by
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
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For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 12:26 last edited by@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
It might be whataboutism when something happens to one person of a group and you say what about the other billion.
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
For instance, I would consider how the world has been shown the video from MN and been convinced that it's representative of how things work in America, a sucker punch to cops and American culture in general. That doesn't mean I don't believe the incident occurred.
It might be whataboutism when something happens to one person of a group and you say what about the other billion.
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 14:51 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Dec 2020, 14:52
Its not every discussion, the straw men mostly show up with you and the whattaboutism generally follows GOP criticism.
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@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 14:54 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Dec 2020, 14:54@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
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@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Horace said in Northwestern transplants a woman who’s lungs were destroyed by Covid:
@Loki I think it must be very frustrating to be surrounded by whataboutisms and straw men in every discussion.
Just curious, Do you think this post qualifies as a straw man?
again, jon, I'm more than willing to meet you half way here. If you will acknowledge that you straw manned me by claiming I thought this thing was a hoax, I will give some attention to satisfying your curiosity here. Now you go ahead.
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wrote on 12 Jun 2020, 15:08 last edited by
No, it wasn't a straw man, I actually thought your position was that you were being lied to.