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  • George KG George K

    @Mik said in Griner:

    There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

    Yes. Supposedly the Russians are considering Whelan an espionage case, so it's not the same as a petty drug crime.

    So, we gave them an arms dealer.

    Right....

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    Renauda
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    #21

    @George-K

    Frankly, I think the Russians just got tired of the athlete’s incessant assertions of being discriminated against because of being black and gay along with her whining about the food and accommodations. Besides that, the other inmates probably disliked her sense of entitlement.

    Elbows up!

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      #22

      I can only imagine the despair of Whelan and his family. How horrible...

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        #23

        In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

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          George K
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          #24

          @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

          In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

          He and Whelan don't check the "correct" boxes.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Copper
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            #25

            Great, another drug addict on the streets.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by George K
              #26

              A Terrible Concession to Putin’s Russia

              Today you’re going to hear a lot of people defending the Biden administration’s deal to secure the release of Brittney Griner by giving Viktor Bout, the world’s most notorious arms dealer with a metaphorical ocean of blood on his hands, back to Russia. (I called the then-potential deal a “moral abomination” back in August.) Not securing the release of Paul Whelan makes this bad deal even worse.

              A lot of defenders of the deal will contend that critics are indifferent to the suffering of Griner, which is a dodge and a smear. The question is not, “is it in the interest of the U.S. government to secure the release of Brittney Griner?” That’s a silly question; the U.S. never wants to see its citizens unfairly detained under brutal conditions on trumped-up charges. The question is, what is an appropriate concession to secure the release of those citizens, and does the payment of the ransom make future problems like this more likely?

              It is hard to overstate the crimes of Bout; if any human being deserved to rot in prison for the rest of his days, it’s him. Longtime State Department official Witney Schneidman, who tracked Bout delivering arms to both sides of the Angola civil war, called Bout “the personification of evil.” From the end of the Cold War until his arrest in 2008, if there was an arms embargo, Bout flouted it — Liberia, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Congo, Libya. Whenever there was a dictator or warlord who needed weapons to mow down his enemies or suppress a suffering population, Bout was there to make a profit off of bloodshed. He earned his nickname, “the Merchant of Death.”)

              After all, if the U.S. government is willing to release Viktor Bout — at one point, the second-most-wanted man after Osama bin Laden! — under enough pressure, then the U.S. government will release anyone under enough pressure: terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, spies like Robert Hanssen.

              It is likely that one of the reasons the Biden administration went ahead with this deal was their confidence that enough allies would choose to characterize it as a major diplomatic victory, not an epic concession to a hostile state that is likely to try to use the same strongarm tactics again in the future.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
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                #27

                Exactly what I mean by what did it cost us. Bout is just the beginning.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  George K
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                  #28

                  Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

                    MikM Away
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                    Mik
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                    #29

                    @George-K 😁

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      #30

                      https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/dem/release/chairman-menendez-statement-on-the-release-of-brittney-griner

                      Written (or signed-off on) by Menendez (D-NJ)

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Well to be fair I have no idea whether the Russians were really against releasing Paul Whelan or if they only had one and chose Griner.

                        The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

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                        #31

                        @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                        The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                        Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                          The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                          Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

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                          @Axtremus said in Griner:

                          @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                          The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                          Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                          Great… What about Fogel?

                          Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

                          The Brad

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            #33

                            Nice to know the government places equivalent value on a stoner, lesbian, professional athlete of color and an arms dealer that has been called the definition of evil…

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @Axtremus said in Griner:

                              @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                              The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                              Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                              Great… What about Fogel?

                              Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

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                              George K
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                              #34

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

                              Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part.

                              I looked up the Wikipedia story on him.

                              $80K in cash in Moscow? OK, then.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                #35

                                Is it appropriate to refer to those dishonorably discharged as vets?

                                The Brad

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #36

                                  Pretty damning description and story.

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #37

                                    Truth be known the US probably wanted or was negotiating to barter Bout for Snowden, but Putin conveniently granted Snowden Russian citizenship in order to preempt any chance of that deal to succeed. Putin thus turned the tables so it would be an extradition case. In the absence of a bilateral extradition treaty, the Russians would never extradite one of their own to the US.

                                    It then became a choice of take Griner or nothing.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      #38

                                      Seen on Twitter:

                                      “This is the first WNBA trade I’ve ever paid attention to”

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #39

                                        This was kind of interesting.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brittney-griner-s-life-inside-a-russian-prison-revealed-in-newly-released-photos/ar-AA154qUJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fce619697f4f4436955695066206aa57

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          George K
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                                          #40

                                          How long before she gets a book deal and a Netflix miniseries?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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