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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #27

    Exactly what I mean by what did it cost us. Bout is just the beginning.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #28

      Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

        MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #29

        @George-K 😁

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #30

          https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/dem/release/chairman-menendez-statement-on-the-release-of-brittney-griner

          Written (or signed-off on) by Menendez (D-NJ)

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Well to be fair I have no idea whether the Russians were really against releasing Paul Whelan or if they only had one and chose Griner.

            The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

            AxtremusA Offline
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            #31

            @jon-nyc said in Griner:

            The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

            Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @jon-nyc said in Griner:

              The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

              Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

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              LuFins Dad
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              #32

              @Axtremus said in Griner:

              @jon-nyc said in Griner:

              The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

              Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

              Great… What about Fogel?

              Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

              The Brad

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                LuFins Dad
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                #33

                Nice to know the government places equivalent value on a stoner, lesbian, professional athlete of color and an arms dealer that has been called the definition of evil…

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Axtremus said in Griner:

                  @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                  The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                  Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                  Great… What about Fogel?

                  Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #34

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

                  Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part.

                  I looked up the Wikipedia story on him.

                  $80K in cash in Moscow? OK, then.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #35

                    Is it appropriate to refer to those dishonorably discharged as vets?

                    The Brad

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #36

                      Pretty damning description and story.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Renauda
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                        #37

                        Truth be known the US probably wanted or was negotiating to barter Bout for Snowden, but Putin conveniently granted Snowden Russian citizenship in order to preempt any chance of that deal to succeed. Putin thus turned the tables so it would be an extradition case. In the absence of a bilateral extradition treaty, the Russians would never extradite one of their own to the US.

                        It then became a choice of take Griner or nothing.

                        Elbows up!

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                          #38

                          Seen on Twitter:

                          “This is the first WNBA trade I’ve ever paid attention to”

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #39

                            This was kind of interesting.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brittney-griner-s-life-inside-a-russian-prison-revealed-in-newly-released-photos/ar-AA154qUJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fce619697f4f4436955695066206aa57

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
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                              How long before she gets a book deal and a Netflix miniseries?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                Less than 90 days on the book deal.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #42

                                  "The best deal since Bowe Bergdahl."

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #43

                                    Screenshot 2022-12-09 at 3.14.53 PM.png

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #44

                                      It will be interesting to see if her outlook has changed.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        #45

                                        Russian state television mocks U.S. for Brittney Griner prisoner exchange

                                        Russian state television, which is notorious for propaganda, discussed the exchange, mocking the United States for swapping Griner instead of Whelan.

                                        A program moderator referred to Whelan as a "spy," saying that Whelan is a hero to Americans. However, the moderator specified three things against Whelan regarding the U.S. winning his release.

                                        "His first problem is that he is white," the moderator said, according to a translation obtained by Fox News Digital. "His second problem is he is a man. His third problem: He is a heterosexual.

                                        "This is not something that can be forgiven today. It’s just a catastrophe. Yes, here Griner beats him in every aspect."

                                        The moderator goes on to falsely claim "American voters" were given a choice between Griner and Whelan in exchange for the "Merchant of Death," when in fact it was the Biden administration that made the decision.

                                        The moderator added that it was a victory for Russia that the U.S. chose a celebrity over a former Marine, as it shows what the United States values.

                                        https://www.foxnews.com/sports/russia-state-television-mocks-u-s-for-brittney-griner-prisoner-exchange

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          Russian state television mocks U.S. for Brittney Griner prisoner exchange

                                          Russian state television, which is notorious for propaganda, discussed the exchange, mocking the United States for swapping Griner instead of Whelan.

                                          A program moderator referred to Whelan as a "spy," saying that Whelan is a hero to Americans. However, the moderator specified three things against Whelan regarding the U.S. winning his release.

                                          "His first problem is that he is white," the moderator said, according to a translation obtained by Fox News Digital. "His second problem is he is a man. His third problem: He is a heterosexual.

                                          "This is not something that can be forgiven today. It’s just a catastrophe. Yes, here Griner beats him in every aspect."

                                          The moderator goes on to falsely claim "American voters" were given a choice between Griner and Whelan in exchange for the "Merchant of Death," when in fact it was the Biden administration that made the decision.

                                          The moderator added that it was a victory for Russia that the U.S. chose a celebrity over a former Marine, as it shows what the United States values.

                                          https://www.foxnews.com/sports/russia-state-television-mocks-u-s-for-brittney-griner-prisoner-exchange

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          #46

                                          @Copper said in Griner:

                                          Russian state television mocks U.S. for Brittney Griner prisoner exchange

                                          Russian state television, which is notorious for propaganda, discussed the exchange, mocking the United States for swapping Griner instead of Whelan.

                                          A program moderator referred to Whelan as a "spy," saying that Whelan is a hero to Americans. However, the moderator specified three things against Whelan regarding the U.S. winning his release.

                                          "His first problem is that he is white," the moderator said, according to a translation obtained by Fox News Digital. "His second problem is he is a man. His third problem: He is a heterosexual.

                                          "This is not something that can be forgiven today. It’s just a catastrophe. Yes, here Griner beats him in every aspect."

                                          The moderator goes on to falsely claim "American voters" were given a choice between Griner and Whelan in exchange for the "Merchant of Death," when in fact it was the Biden administration that made the decision.

                                          The moderator added that it was a victory for Russia that the U.S. chose a celebrity over a former Marine, as it shows what the United States values.

                                          https://www.foxnews.com/sports/russia-state-television-mocks-u-s-for-brittney-griner-prisoner-exchange

                                          I guess you take your victories where you can. The fact that their sad excuse for a military is being humiliated on a daily basis by American supplied weaponry isn't something they want to talk about.

                                          "But hey, we got our murderous thug back!"

                                          I was only joking

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