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Gone is "Gone With The Wind."

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  • George KG Offline
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    FFS: https://wgntv.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-it-can-return-with-historical-context/?fbclid=IwAR1b4vKXzjwt8ijBrUu1oncvFR2IfWHyhv-pR79CH8l4bDwZsk-2UkRe8H0

    A spokesperson for HBO Max, which like CNN is owned by WarnerMedia, told CNN Business that “Gone with the Wind” is “a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society.”

    “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible,” the spokesperson said.

    The spokesperson added that when the film returns to HBO Max, it “will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions,” and will be presented “as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.”

    “If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history,” the spokesperson said.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
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      #2

      The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Overreactions abound.

        And employer recently sent me an email about their stance against racism. Just like HBO, what has changed between a month ago and now that suddenly requires these displays of commitment. Even from friends. My position on racism hasn’t changed, and I feel no need to publicly declare it now.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jesus...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG George K

            FFS: https://wgntv.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-it-can-return-with-historical-context/?fbclid=IwAR1b4vKXzjwt8ijBrUu1oncvFR2IfWHyhv-pR79CH8l4bDwZsk-2UkRe8H0

            A spokesperson for HBO Max, which like CNN is owned by WarnerMedia, told CNN Business that “Gone with the Wind” is “a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society.”

            “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible,” the spokesperson said.

            The spokesperson added that when the film returns to HBO Max, it “will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions,” and will be presented “as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.”

            “If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history,” the spokesperson said.

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            Jolly
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            @George-K said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

            FFS: https://wgntv.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-it-can-return-with-historical-context/?fbclid=IwAR1b4vKXzjwt8ijBrUu1oncvFR2IfWHyhv-pR79CH8l4bDwZsk-2UkRe8H0

            A spokesperson for HBO Max, which like CNN is owned by WarnerMedia, told CNN Business that “Gone with the Wind” is “a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society.”

            “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible,” the spokesperson said.

            The spokesperson added that when the film returns to HBO Max, it “will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions,” and will be presented “as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.”

            “If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history,” the spokesperson said.

            They don't want to understand history, they want to blackwash it.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Mik

              The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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              Aqua Letifer
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              @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

              The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

              I'm so glad I started saving my books.

              Please love yourself.

              JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                JollyJ Offline
                JollyJ Offline
                Jolly
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                @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                Until they come for them...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                  I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                  Until they come for them...

                  ImprovisoI Offline
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                  @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                  I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                  Until they come for them...

                  Fahrenheit 451

                  We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                  Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                  • ImprovisoI Improviso

                    @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                    I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                    Until they come for them...

                    Fahrenheit 451

                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                    I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                    Until they come for them...

                    Fahrenheit 451

                    Yeah I'll bury 'em before it comes to that.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • ImprovisoI Improviso

                      @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                      I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                      Until they come for them...

                      Fahrenheit 451

                      CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
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                      @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                      I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                      Until they come for them...

                      Fahrenheit 451

                      https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/technical_information/frequently_asked_questions/default.htm#preprod11

                      What is the autoignition temperature of film?
                      The autoignition characteristics of a material define the temperature at which the material starts to burn without the benefit of an external spark. The approximate autoignition temperature for Estar base is 480 degrees C (900 F) and 430 degrees C (800 F) for cellulose triacetate film base.

                      So, Fahrenheit 800 or Fahrenheit 900

                      I believe Gone With the Wind was originally filmed on Nitrocellulose

                      https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00102207308952336

                      The Ignition Characteristics of Nitrocellulose Films

                      The effect of the nitrogen content on the ignition characteristics of nitrocellulose (NC) is investigatedusing thin films ranging in nitrogen content from 11.40%to 13.88%. Both the ignition energies and the condensed phase reactions are measured and analyzed. The ignition energy (E) measured in an arc image furnace at constant pressure, using samples coated with carbon is found to be 0.4 cal cm−2 for all 10 micron thick specimens, regardless of both the nitrogen content and the radiant flux density. It was found that when the film thickness is less than 20 microns, the temperature within the film is practically uniform enabling a simple computation of the ignition temperature. The calculated temperature at one atmosphere is approximately 290 °C.

                      So, roughly Fahrenheit 554

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                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                        Fahrenheit 451

                        Aqua made a comment about his books, not film.

                        "Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published in 1953. Often regarded as one of his best works,[4] the novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found.[5] The book's tagline explains the title: "Fahrenheit 451 – the temperature at which book paper catches fire, and burns..." The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."

                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                        • ImprovisoI Improviso

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                          Fahrenheit 451

                          Aqua made a comment about his books, not film.

                          "Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published in 1953. Often regarded as one of his best works,[4] the novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found.[5] The book's tagline explains the title: "Fahrenheit 451 – the temperature at which book paper catches fire, and burns..." The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."

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                          @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                          The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."***

                          These days, anybody committed enough to counter-culture causes that they'd drop everything to devote their lives to fight the system, have convenient mobs they can join instead. They don't have to risk anything, and they even gain social credibility among their friends and coworkers! This is a wonderful efficiency our modern society has built into itself. Now anybody can be a courageous superhero, worthy of having books written about them, just by joining a mob!

                          Education is extremely important.

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