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Gone is "Gone With The Wind."

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    Mik
    wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 15:09 last edited by
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    The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      89th
      wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 15:23 last edited by
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      Overreactions abound.

      And employer recently sent me an email about their stance against racism. Just like HBO, what has changed between a month ago and now that suddenly requires these displays of commitment. Even from friends. My position on racism hasn’t changed, and I feel no need to publicly declare it now.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 15:47 last edited by
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        Jesus...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • G George K
          10 Jun 2020, 14:55

          FFS: https://wgntv.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-it-can-return-with-historical-context/?fbclid=IwAR1b4vKXzjwt8ijBrUu1oncvFR2IfWHyhv-pR79CH8l4bDwZsk-2UkRe8H0

          A spokesperson for HBO Max, which like CNN is owned by WarnerMedia, told CNN Business that “Gone with the Wind” is “a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society.”

          “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible,” the spokesperson said.

          The spokesperson added that when the film returns to HBO Max, it “will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions,” and will be presented “as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.”

          “If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history,” the spokesperson said.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 15:49 last edited by
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          @George-K said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

          FFS: https://wgntv.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-it-can-return-with-historical-context/?fbclid=IwAR1b4vKXzjwt8ijBrUu1oncvFR2IfWHyhv-pR79CH8l4bDwZsk-2UkRe8H0

          A spokesperson for HBO Max, which like CNN is owned by WarnerMedia, told CNN Business that “Gone with the Wind” is “a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society.”

          “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible,” the spokesperson said.

          The spokesperson added that when the film returns to HBO Max, it “will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions,” and will be presented “as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.”

          “If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history,” the spokesperson said.

          They don't want to understand history, they want to blackwash it.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • M Mik
            10 Jun 2020, 15:09

            The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

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            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 16:12 last edited by
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            @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

            The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

            I'm so glad I started saving my books.

            Please love yourself.

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            • A Aqua Letifer
              10 Jun 2020, 16:12

              @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

              The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

              I'm so glad I started saving my books.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 18:02 last edited by
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              @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

              @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

              The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

              I'm so glad I started saving my books.

              Until they come for them...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                10 Jun 2020, 18:02

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                Until they come for them...

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                Improviso
                wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 22:13 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                Until they come for them...

                Fahrenheit 451

                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                • I Improviso
                  10 Jun 2020, 22:13

                  @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                  I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                  Until they come for them...

                  Fahrenheit 451

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 22:59 last edited by
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                  @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                  The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                  I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                  Until they come for them...

                  Fahrenheit 451

                  Yeah I'll bury 'em before it comes to that.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • I Improviso
                    10 Jun 2020, 22:13

                    @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                    I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                    Until they come for them...

                    Fahrenheit 451

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 23:32 last edited by
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                    @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Jolly said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    @Mik said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                    The dumbing of America. If you are not informed and aware enough to understand that, well, there's no helping you.

                    I'm so glad I started saving my books.

                    Until they come for them...

                    Fahrenheit 451

                    https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/technical_information/frequently_asked_questions/default.htm#preprod11

                    What is the autoignition temperature of film?
                    The autoignition characteristics of a material define the temperature at which the material starts to burn without the benefit of an external spark. The approximate autoignition temperature for Estar base is 480 degrees C (900 F) and 430 degrees C (800 F) for cellulose triacetate film base.

                    So, Fahrenheit 800 or Fahrenheit 900

                    I believe Gone With the Wind was originally filmed on Nitrocellulose

                    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00102207308952336

                    The Ignition Characteristics of Nitrocellulose Films

                    The effect of the nitrogen content on the ignition characteristics of nitrocellulose (NC) is investigatedusing thin films ranging in nitrogen content from 11.40%to 13.88%. Both the ignition energies and the condensed phase reactions are measured and analyzed. The ignition energy (E) measured in an arc image furnace at constant pressure, using samples coated with carbon is found to be 0.4 cal cm−2 for all 10 micron thick specimens, regardless of both the nitrogen content and the radiant flux density. It was found that when the film thickness is less than 20 microns, the temperature within the film is practically uniform enabling a simple computation of the ignition temperature. The calculated temperature at one atmosphere is approximately 290 °C.

                    So, roughly Fahrenheit 554

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                      Improviso
                      wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 14:18 last edited by
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                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                      Fahrenheit 451

                      Aqua made a comment about his books, not film.

                      "Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published in 1953. Often regarded as one of his best works,[4] the novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found.[5] The book's tagline explains the title: "Fahrenheit 451 – the temperature at which book paper catches fire, and burns..." The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."

                      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                      • I Improviso
                        11 Jun 2020, 14:18

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                        Fahrenheit 451

                        Aqua made a comment about his books, not film.

                        "Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published in 1953. Often regarded as one of his best works,[4] the novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found.[5] The book's tagline explains the title: "Fahrenheit 451 – the temperature at which book paper catches fire, and burns..." The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 14:35 last edited by Horace 6 Nov 2020, 14:36
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                        @Improviso said in Gone is "Gone With The Wind.":

                        The lead character, Guy Montag, is a fireman who becomes disillusioned with his role of censoring literature and destroying knowledge, eventually quitting his job and committing himself to the preservation of literary and cultural writings."***

                        These days, anybody committed enough to counter-culture causes that they'd drop everything to devote their lives to fight the system, have convenient mobs they can join instead. They don't have to risk anything, and they even gain social credibility among their friends and coworkers! This is a wonderful efficiency our modern society has built into itself. Now anybody can be a courageous superhero, worthy of having books written about them, just by joining a mob!

                        Education is extremely important.

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