A bad day for Trump
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@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 16:03 last edited by@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
Or that you would fall for her bullshit. And it's proven bullshit.
So give it up, lad. Your king hath no clothes.
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry said in A bad day for Trump:
Anyone who has even looked inside a limo can tell you it is flat out impossible to grab the steering wheel from the back seat, which is where the VIP would be sitting. That's one. The Secret Service says it didn't happen. That's two. By making such a ridiculous claim, the woman proved herself to be a liar before the sun had set. That's three. It is a proven fact that Trump tried to provide the znational Guard to beef up security. Yet this bunch of fools would have you believe that at the same time as he was trying to beef up security he was conspiring to send armed I surgents into the capital. Thats four.
Ok, I'll bite:
One: If it was the Presidential SUV, there is no barrier between the backseat and the front seat.
Two: The Secret Service hasn't testified to that under oath.
Three: Not sure how her testimony makes her a liar. I believe she told the truth about what she heard. Now, whether what she heard was accurate is a different question, as others like @George-K have pointed out.
Four: I'm not sure he was trying to send armed insurgents to the Capitol, but as said before, all of this is hearsay anyway so until there is better proof of his comments (this and others), this is all just vapor testimony, IMO.
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
- The SS has already submitted papers saying they will be happy to testify under oath. Hide behind a tree and see if they're called. I'd say it's 75/25 they're not called.
- That's hearsay. What person in their right mind wants hearsay, possible even third or fourth hand hearsay given in a committee of supposedly this much importance. It's not important, son. It's a political sideshow. They on't give a shit about the country...This is solely trying to wound Trump politically, trying to keep him from running again. It's very hard to steal two elections in a row.
- Troops were offered. It's Pelosi's responsibility to ensure the safety of the Capitol. She did not take the President up on his offer.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 16:04 last edited by@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 16:06 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
Hello, Swamp Creature.
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 17:39 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
You honestly don't see how stupid your statements are. That is flat out amazing...
No, you CANNOT reach the steering wheel of a limo from the back seat where a VIP could sit. Let's look at this whole claim. The woman said they were in "The Beast" - term describing the presidential limo. They were not in "The Beast" they were in a Secret Service SUV. THOSE aren't limos, so that isn't even at issue. Secret Service SUVs do not have a partition either, so that isn't an issue. There were however, 3 secret service men in the SUV with Trump. The driver, one in the front passenger seat, and one sitting beside Trump in the back seat. This woman claims that one of these 3 men told her about it. The man she says told her about it has a 21 year career with the agency, with an impeccable record. When he heard what the woman had said, he stated for the record that it categorically did NOT happen, and that he wants to testify to that under oath.
It's not me or Jolly bending over backwards to defend Trump, it's you bending over backwards to me at him - and it makes you look like a fool.
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
You honestly don't see how stupid your statements are. That is flat out amazing...
No, you CANNOT reach the steering wheel of a limo from the back seat where a VIP could sit. Let's look at this whole claim. The woman said they were in "The Beast" - term describing the presidential limo. They were not in "The Beast" they were in a Secret Service SUV. THOSE aren't limos, so that isn't even at issue. Secret Service SUVs do not have a partition either, so that isn't an issue. There were however, 3 secret service men in the SUV with Trump. The driver, one in the front passenger seat, and one sitting beside Trump in the back seat. This woman claims that one of these 3 men told her about it. The man she says told her about it has a 21 year career with the agency, with an impeccable record. When he heard what the woman had said, he stated for the record that it categorically did NOT happen, and that he wants to testify to that under oath.
It's not me or Jolly bending over backwards to defend Trump, it's you bending over backwards to me at him - and it makes you look like a fool.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 17:51 last edited by@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
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@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 18:16 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 18:53 last edited by@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
A mere 4 years earlier he was the healthiest man to ever run for President.
The stress has clearly taken its toll.
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@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
wrote on 30 Jun 2022, 23:26 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
That has to be the most twisted thing I've read today..
BWAHAHAHAHAAAA
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 11:24 last edited by Jolly 7 Jan 2022, 11:32
The full conversation is interesting. As Julie Kelly pointed out, the MSM took an uncorroborated story from an unknown aide with a thin resume, who offered mostly second and third hand accounts of conversations and incidents, and reported it as fact.
Is it any wonder Americans don't trust the media?
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 13:01 last edited by@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
Grab at*
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 16:59 last edited by
Washington Examiner’s (not Washington Post) editorial on Hutchinson’s testimony as it relates to Trump:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again
The Washington Examiner is usually very pro-Trump, and this op-ed is from the Washington Examiner’s editorial board (not some individual contributor). Go ahead and read it, you know you want to.
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
Grab at*
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 17:05 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
Grab at*
It's just locker room talk.
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Washington Examiner’s (not Washington Post) editorial on Hutchinson’s testimony as it relates to Trump:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again
The Washington Examiner is usually very pro-Trump, and this op-ed is from the Washington Examiner’s editorial board (not some individual contributor). Go ahead and read it, you know you want to.
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 17:19 last edited by@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
Washington Examiner’s (not Washington Post) editorial on Hutchinson’s testimony as it relates to Trump:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again
The Washington Examiner is usually very pro-Trump, and this op-ed is from the Washington Examiner’s editorial board (not some individual contributor). Go ahead and read it, you know you want to.
Note. The editorial appeared on the 29th and was probably written right after her "testimony".
My, don't they look stupid....
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
Grab at*
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 17:20 last edited by@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
Grab at*
In other words, if he waved at the crowd, he grabbed at the steering wheel.
Yeah, I got it.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 19:59 last edited by
Wait a minute, didn't @89th once tell us he had a friend that was a Whitehouse Aid? Any chance this Cassidy is the one?
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Wait a minute, didn't @89th once tell us he had a friend that was a Whitehouse Aid? Any chance this Cassidy is the one?
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 20:34 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in A bad day for Trump:
Wait a minute, didn't @89th once tell us he had a friend that was a Whitehouse Aid? Any chance this Cassidy is the one?
By jove!, I think you've got it!
89th, is the fact you were having sex with this woman influence your perception of this event?
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.
She changed to a lawyer who was nominated by Trump to lead the DOJ’s Civil Division and was formerly US Attorney General Jeff Session’s Chief of Staff. That’s not a “Democrat lawyer.”
Now that I have shown you a falsehood in what you said, are you going to “Uncle Henry” everything else you say here? Should @George-K “falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” everything else you say here?
wrote on 2 Jul 2022, 01:10 last edited by@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.
She changed to a lawyer who was nominated by Trump to lead the DOJ’s Civil Division and was formerly US Attorney General Jeff Session’s Chief of Staff. That’s not a “Democrat lawyer.”
Now that I have shown you a falsehood in what you said, are you going to “Uncle Henry” everything else you say here? Should @George-K “falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” everything else you say here?
It turns out pro-Trump groups have been paying the lawyers for some of the witnesses who testified or subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-allies-paid-legal-fees-110138603.html
Hutchinson’s previous lawyer, one who served as an ethics lawyer for the Trump White House, was also paid by a pro-Trump PAC.
Having tried to discredit Hutchinson by wrongly characterizing her new lawyer as a “Democrat lawyer,” would @Jolly now question the credibility of the other witnesses who testified or gave depositions while being advised by lawyers paid by pro-Trump groups?
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wrote on 2 Jul 2022, 01:18 last edited by Jolly 7 Feb 2022, 01:18
It's not unusual for PAC's to pay for lawyers.
And it's a fact she changed her testimony after swapping to a Dem lawyer. And that aint Breitbart peddling that story, it's MSNBC.