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Jolly

@Larry LOL ok

I don't know about not one, but there were a very large contingent at the Capitol that were not at the rally.

Now, ask yourself, why?

taiwan_girl

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

Jolly

Gas prices, low inflation, tax cuts, low interest rates, booming economy, rebuilt military, rise in real wages, constitutional judges, securing the borders.

If that's incompetent, for God's sake, let's do it again.

Horace

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

Mik

I might take that list a little more seriously if they got the titles anywhere near correct. There hasn’t been a secretary of war for at least 50 years and we’ve never had ministers of anything.

Now take all the people who wrote books off that list.

xenon

I haven’t watched any of it, but I found Barr’s testimony to be most compelling. He called bullshit pretty hard on Trump’s election fraud stuff.

He’s a lot more credible than Trump.

taiwan_girl

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

Hmmm, there are about 30-40% of the people on the left who super dislike President Trump. BUT, there are an equal % of people on the right who have fallen under the spell of personality and have the right side equivalent of TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome).

Those on the left say - "Who me? No I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

Those on the right say - "Who me? No, I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

taiwan_girl

@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:

I might take that list a little more seriously if they got the titles anywhere near correct. There hasn’t been a secretary of war for at least 50 years and we’ve never had ministers of anything.

Now take all the people who wrote books off that list.

It was me who put together the list! 555. I may have got the titles incorrect but I think you recognize the person I have listed. LOL

Doesn't matter if they wrote a book or not. It amazes me the number of high level people (most quite respected) who, after working closely with President Trump, have basically indicated that he not very competent to be President.

taiwan_girl

@Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

Gas prices, low inflation, tax cuts, low interest rates, booming economy, rebuilt military, rise in real wages, constitutional judges, securing the borders.

If that's incompetent, for God's sake, let's do it again.

Sounds like you would have voted for President Obama if he could run for the third time. Seems to "check" most of the things you have listed, in a lot of cases with better numbers than President Trump. LOL

Jolly

Mr. Obama was 2/9 or 3/9 on those.

Horace

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

Hmmm, there are about 30-40% of the people on the left who super dislike President Trump. BUT, there are an equal % of people on the right who have fallen under the spell of personality and have the right side equivalent of TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome).

Those on the left say - "Who me? No I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

Those on the right say - "Who me? No, I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

Well you just say these things, but some of us actually live and breath with Americans. There’s nothing wrong with being religious, but a religion of both sides in all cultural conflicts always being equal, isn’t an actual argument, it is just citing your gospel.

Larry

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

taiwan_girl

@Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

etc etc

I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

Jolly

Well, Bless your heart.

Horace

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

@Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

etc etc

I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

There's a certain art to participating in political discussions. A preference for one candidate over the other actually says nothing about how much room for improvement one's favored candidate has, but that room for improvement is beside the point. What you interpret as "undying love" or "cult indoctrination" is people playing by the rules of a well-understood game, where you don't spend your time criticizing the team you hope will win. I suppose there might be a name for a political movement filled with intellectually honest public self-criticizers, but that name has long been lost to history, as that political party got beat in every election every time.

You don't participate in any political discussions here, so you are safe to criticize the manner in which participants conduct themselves. But if you ever do have an opinion on politics or culture wars, and you actually care, you will find yourself playing by the rules I described. And you will not feel yourself to be blindly indoctrinated into the side you chose.

Larry

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

@Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

etc etc

I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

No, what you've done is typical leftwing "logic", where you make a derogatory claim that isn't true, state it as fact, and then if challenged, you defend it by digging up something close, take it out of context, and in this case, ignore the time in each person's life in which these statements were made. I could do the same and provide you with a list of quotes by these men where all of them are bragging on Trump like he's the Second Coming.

Every single person you listed was fired. Before they got fired, they each and every one bragged on Trump. You put together a list of sour grapes remarks made after getting their asses handed to them and think you've defended your statement - you haven't. What a man says after getting fired is useless. Not only is your list useless, you've had to admit that not a single one of them called Trump incompetent. Welcome to your corner.

kluurs

Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

Mik

I agree. And it worries me.

Horace

Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists', and the evil mastermind behind them, Donald Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

Jolly

@kluurs said in The hearings broadcast:

Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

Peggy jumped the shark fifteen years ago on what rank and file Republicans think.

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