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  • KlausK Klaus

    That's not an accurate summary of what he said.

    On most major topics, you could generate an opinion by a random opinion generator and you'll find an "expert" who will have that opinion. What matters at the end of the day is data and evidence. One can of course dismiss both by an appropriate conspiracy theory, but right now I see no reason to believe in large-scale conspiracy theories about COVID.

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    Horace
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    #14

    @klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

    That's not an accurate summary of what he said.

    It's my recollection of what he said...

    On most major topics, you could generate an opinion by a random opinion generator and you'll find an "expert" who will have that opinion. What matters at the end of the day is data and evidence. One can of course dismiss both by an appropriate conspiracy theory, but right now I see no reason to believe in large-scale conspiracy theories about COVID.

    He doesn't describe the nuts and bolts of it as a "conspiracy theory". Those who want to dismiss him call it a conspiracy theory. He describes it as group-think and scientists being unwilling or unable to go against the establishment. Which is obviously a thing in many "scientific" topics of cultural significance, much more so than conspiracy theories. As he notes, the lab leak theory was dismissed as a conspiracy theory, but now has mainstream acceptance.

    The FDA page on Ivermectin is a big shrug about "not knowing enough just yet" about the drug.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Without wanting to dig into this - is he saying it's better to get treated with Invermectin after you have Covid, than to get vaccinated against it?

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        Without wanting to dig into this - is he saying it's better to get treated with Invermectin after you have Covid, than to get vaccinated against it?

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        #16

        @doctor-phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

        Without wanting to dig into this - is he saying it's better to get treated with Invermectin after you have Covid, than to get vaccinated against it?

        Getting treated with Invermectin is not an available choice for most. He's in favor of people getting the vaccine, but wishes Invermectin could be used more broadly - he thinks it would essentially end the pandemic.

        Education is extremely important.

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          I guess it's safe to say that Bret Weinstein has now arrived fully in conspiracy theory land.

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            Horace
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            #18

            Probably an attempt at pith rather than a conspiracy theory. You are quick to assume a level of crazy that probably does not exist.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Klaus
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              These suggestions of some kind of coordination between COVID and this war is a thing on Twitter. BW is just an example. Here's another one.

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                jon-nyc
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                #20

                It’s a shame he’s become so unhinged.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  Horace
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                  If there’s a point female action star and martial artist and high school graduate Gina Carano is trying to make, it’s probably about what the media fixates on rather than what motivated Putin. If Bret has a point beyond a bad attempt at humor, it’s probably the same. It’s still a lame point, given the importance of the war, but it’s not off the charts wacky like a theory about the war being bought and paid for by big pharma.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Klaus
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                    Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                    By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                      By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

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                      George K
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                      @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                      I like Gina

                      @jon-nyc would hit that.

                      But she'd probably hit back.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        I wouldn't mind getting hit back either.

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                          By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

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                          Horace
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                          @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                          Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                          By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                          If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                            Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                            By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                            If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                            @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                            Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                            By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                            If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                            Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                            Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                              @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                              Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                              By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                              If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                              Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                              Then we'd actually know what they meant.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              #27

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                              @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                              @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                              Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                              By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                              If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                              Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                              Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                              That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?

                              Please love yourself.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                Maybe be a her business model is frothing up the tin hat crowd?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                                  By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                                  If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                                  Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                                  Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                                  That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #29

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                  Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                                  By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                                  If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                                  Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                                  Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                                  That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?

                                  Writing in short declarative statements.
                                  Implication of great wisdom.
                                  No evidence needed or given.
                                  It's what they want you to think.
                                  Fuck knows why.
                                  A ruthless hegemony undermined by minor celebrities masquerading as prophets.
                                  If challenged can deny meaning.
                                  Twitter word limit.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                                    By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                                    If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                                    Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                                    Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                                    That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?

                                    Writing in short declarative statements.
                                    Implication of great wisdom.
                                    No evidence needed or given.
                                    It's what they want you to think.
                                    Fuck knows why.
                                    A ruthless hegemony undermined by minor celebrities masquerading as prophets.
                                    If challenged can deny meaning.
                                    Twitter word limit.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #30

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    @Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                    Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.

                                    By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter 🙂

                                    If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.

                                    Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?

                                    Then we'd actually know what they meant.

                                    That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?

                                    Writing in short declarative statements.
                                    Implication of great wisdom.
                                    No evidence needed or given.
                                    It's what they want you to think.
                                    Fuck knows why.
                                    A ruthless hegemony undermined by minor celebrities masquerading as prophets.
                                    If challenged can deny meaning.
                                    Twitter word limit.

                                    Yeah, it reads like Bukowski if he hung out with the Lone Gunmen all day instead of drinking his ass off.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #31

                                      Bret and RFK’s speechwriter theorize about Epstein-related blackmail of RFK by ‘Likudnik entities’. The evidence? RFK’s tweets describing anti-semitism as a health crisis. The word ‘kompromat’ is used repeatedly.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        If COVID is such a windfall for Pfizer, I wonder why its stock price hasn't skyrocketed?

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                                        @Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:

                                        If COVID is such a windfall for Pfizer, I wonder why its stock price hasn't skyrocketed?

                                        Me too. I bought a chunk when the stock dropped in November but it hasn’t recovered very well yet.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #33

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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