Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast
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@klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
More links can be found in this critical discussion:
https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/looking-for-covid-19-miracle-drugs-we-already-have-them-theyre-called-vaccines/Thanks Klaus. I listened to the podcast. I guess we'd all better hope it's a nuts conspiracy theory, otherwise human civilization is broken and irredeemable.
I don't really think the reasoning behind the notion that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist goes much beyond "because the consensus is that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist". I don't believe that he and his guest and whatever other legit scholars agree with them, are ignoring clear evidence that they're wrong. Study Ivermectin!
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@horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
I don't really think the reasoning behind the notion that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist goes much beyond "because the consensus is that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist". I don't believe that he and his guest and whatever other legit scholars agree with them, are ignoring clear evidence that they're wrong. Study Ivermectin!
I didn't follow all the details here, but even if he has a point, it is wrong to recommend a drug without having the large-scale studies that back up that it works for the intended purpose and does not have major side effects.
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@klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
@horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
I don't really think the reasoning behind the notion that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist goes much beyond "because the consensus is that he's a nuts conspiracy theorist". I don't believe that he and his guest and whatever other legit scholars agree with them, are ignoring clear evidence that they're wrong. Study Ivermectin!
I didn't follow all the details here, but even if he has a point, it is wrong to recommend a drug without having the large-scale studies that back up that it works for the intended purpose and does not have major side effects.
He said that Ivermectin, from all we know, is less risky than the vaccines. To dismiss him, you just have to trust that he has no idea what he is talking about.
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That's not an accurate summary of what he said.
On most major topics, you could generate an opinion by a random opinion generator and you'll find an "expert" who will have that opinion. What matters at the end of the day is data and evidence. One can of course dismiss both by an appropriate conspiracy theory, but right now I see no reason to believe in large-scale conspiracy theories about COVID.
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@klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
That's not an accurate summary of what he said.
It's my recollection of what he said...
On most major topics, you could generate an opinion by a random opinion generator and you'll find an "expert" who will have that opinion. What matters at the end of the day is data and evidence. One can of course dismiss both by an appropriate conspiracy theory, but right now I see no reason to believe in large-scale conspiracy theories about COVID.
He doesn't describe the nuts and bolts of it as a "conspiracy theory". Those who want to dismiss him call it a conspiracy theory. He describes it as group-think and scientists being unwilling or unable to go against the establishment. Which is obviously a thing in many "scientific" topics of cultural significance, much more so than conspiracy theories. As he notes, the lab leak theory was dismissed as a conspiracy theory, but now has mainstream acceptance.
The FDA page on Ivermectin is a big shrug about "not knowing enough just yet" about the drug.
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Without wanting to dig into this - is he saying it's better to get treated with Invermectin after you have Covid, than to get vaccinated against it?
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
Without wanting to dig into this - is he saying it's better to get treated with Invermectin after you have Covid, than to get vaccinated against it?
Getting treated with Invermectin is not an available choice for most. He's in favor of people getting the vaccine, but wishes Invermectin could be used more broadly - he thinks it would essentially end the pandemic.
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It’s a shame he’s become so unhinged.
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If there’s a point female action star and martial artist and high school graduate Gina Carano is trying to make, it’s probably about what the media fixates on rather than what motivated Putin. If Bret has a point beyond a bad attempt at humor, it’s probably the same. It’s still a lame point, given the importance of the war, but it’s not off the charts wacky like a theory about the war being bought and paid for by big pharma.
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Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.
By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter
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@Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.
By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter
If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
@Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.
By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter
If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.
Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?
Then we'd actually know what they meant.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
@Horace said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
@Klaus said in Bret Weinstein and Heather - Darkhorse Podcast:
Well, I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I'm missing some nuance, but "cue a war" sounds like a pretty clear suggestion to me that there is some kind of causal connection between the COVID bruhaha and this war.
By the way, otherwise I like Gina, even if she occasionally talks nonsense on Twitter
If your Occam’s razor is that she thinks the richest and probably most powerful person in the world was bought off to start a war, ok then. But other more reasonable interpretations of her message are available.
Maybe writing in plain English rather than clickbait bollocks would be a good idea?
Then we'd actually know what they meant.
That's what I'm finding difficult. Why write it in this way?
