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And here's where I disagree with AL...

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  • AxtremusA Away
    AxtremusA Away
    Axtremus
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    #13

    Reminds me of a Christian church group I once affiliated with who fought (and may still be fighting) Halloween and Harry Potter. Nice people! 🙂

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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      So, who said this?

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      Aqua Letifer
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      @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

      “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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      So, who said this?

      I reckon it was someone complaining about those damn boomer kids. 😁

      Please love yourself.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        When I was a kid, people said exactly the same thing about violent TV shows, and the shows today are way more violent than they were back then, and there's no 9 o'clock watershed - they can watch anything they want, all the time.

        So, when we start banning shit we don't like, we clearly shouldn't stop with video games.

        My grandad wouldn't have approved either, but then he probably couldn't explain how two world wars started with a total absence of either of these things.

        Maybe starting world wars falls under "making our own entertainment", which is apparently what old people used to do before they were old.

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        @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

        When I was a kid, people said exactly the same thing about violent TV shows, and the shows today are way more violent than they were back then, and there's no 9 o'clock watershed - they can watch anything they want, all the time.

        So, when we start banning shit we don't like, we clearly shouldn't stop with video games.

        My grandad wouldn't have approved either, but then he probably couldn't explain how two world wars started with a total absence of either of these things.

        Maybe starting world wars falls under "making our own entertainment", which is apparently what old people used to do before they were old.

        Blood on the Rooftops
        Dark and grey, an English film, the Wednesday Play
        We always watch the Queen on Christmas Day
        Won't you stay?

        Though your eyes see shipwrecked sailors you're still dry
        The outlook's fine though Wales might have some rain
        Saved again

        Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
        The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me
        They get me confused boy, puts me off to sleep
        And the thing I hate, oh Lord
        Is staying up late, to watch some debate on some nation's fate.

        Hypnotized by Batman, Tarzan, still surprised
        You've won the West in time to be our guest
        Name your prize

        Drop of wine, glass of beer dear what's the time?
        The grime on the Tyne is mine, all mine, all mine
        Five past nine

        Blood on the rooftops, Venice in the Spring
        Streets of San Francisco, word from Peking
        The trouble was started by a young Errol Flynn
        Better in my day, oh Lord
        For when we got bored, we'd have a World War, happy but poor

        So let's skip the news boy, I'll go make that tea
        Blood on the rooftops, too much for me
        When old Mother Goose stops and they're out for twenty-three
        Then the rain at Lords stopped play
        Seems Helen of Troy has found a new face again

        Genesis 1976

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        • CopperC Copper

          @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

          “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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          So, who said this?

          Adam

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          @Copper said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:
          “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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          So, who said this?

          Adam

          Close - it was Socrates

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @Copper said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:
            “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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            So, who said this?

            Adam

            Close - it was Socrates

            AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
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            #17

            @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

            @Copper said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:
            “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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            So, who said this?

            Adam

            Close - it was Socrates

            Did Socrates try asking his students who they want to sit with next week and who they want to nominate as “exceptional citizen of the classroom” each week?

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              Horace
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              https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

              fact checked, into the boards.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                fact checked, into the boards.

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
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                #19

                @Horace said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                fact checked, into the boards.

                The spirit of the quote still holds true. It's not like kids and older generations lived in perfect harmony, with parents thinking their kids were model citizens and certified Upstanding Young People for centuries prior to boomers.

                Please love yourself.

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                  #20

                  Here's what I think, after working with crazy people for over thirty years...

                  1. Never assume what is not stimulating to a normal person, doesn't ratchet a crazy person into irrational or bizarre behavior.
                  2. Calm is better. Uncomplicated is better. Stress causes mentally unstable people to act out and a certain percentage can become pretty violent.
                  3. The power of suggestion works pretty well on some. They aren't sure what to believe and if you keep nudging them in a certain direction, some of them have sea changes in attitude and demeanor.

                  Going back to our guns discussion...

                  Guns have always been pretty prevalent in American society and culture. We've also had violent periods such as the assassination episodes that Jon pointed out. What has been pretty rare, have been mass shootings by an individual, particularly in schools.

                  So, society has changed. Period. Full stop.

                  The question then becomes how and why?

                  I think the teacher has some decent points and I'll add a few...

                  1. Violent video games are not for young children. Most young children don't have a clue about the finality of death and don't have the background of rural children who are a little familiar with animal slaughter and butchering (although that is becoming rare, too). I think they rewire the mind into a faulty perception of violence and death.
                  2. Speaking of rewiring...Sam Neil said the other day that the new Jurassic Park movie was very different t compared to the original. Modern movie audiences will not tolerate a slow reveal such as the first scene with the T. Rex as in the original. The modern audience demands almost constant action. Their brains are wired for it. Why?
                    Probably because of the digital age, which causes brain pathways to be rewired, because of constant stimulation. Kids and young people today, do not think the way their grandparents did.
                  3. Because of constant stimulation and over-diagnosis, or maybe just the fact we run schools like prisons without recesses and unstructured play, more than 50% of many elementary school students are on psychotropic medications. That is bad. Period. Full stop.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Horace said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                    fact checked, into the boards.

                    The spirit of the quote still holds true. It's not like kids and older generations lived in perfect harmony, with parents thinking their kids were model citizens and certified Upstanding Young People for centuries prior to boomers.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #21

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                    @Horace said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                    fact checked, into the boards.

                    The spirit of the quote still holds true. It's not like kids and older generations lived in perfect harmony, with parents thinking their kids were model citizens and certified Upstanding Young People for centuries prior to boomers.

                    Yep, but they didn't usually walk into the classroom and kill a dozen kids.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                      @Horace said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                      https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                      fact checked, into the boards.

                      The spirit of the quote still holds true. It's not like kids and older generations lived in perfect harmony, with parents thinking their kids were model citizens and certified Upstanding Young People for centuries prior to boomers.

                      Yep, but they didn't usually walk into the classroom and kill a dozen kids.

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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #22

                      @Jolly said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                      @Horace said in And here's where I disagree with AL...:

                      https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

                      fact checked, into the boards.

                      The spirit of the quote still holds true. It's not like kids and older generations lived in perfect harmony, with parents thinking their kids were model citizens and certified Upstanding Young People for centuries prior to boomers.

                      Yep, but they didn't usually walk into the classroom and kill a dozen kids.

                      See jon's post about social contagion.

                      Please love yourself.

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