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Changing Grades

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #22

    alt text

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #23

      In other words:

      "We have not approved this. YET."

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        89th
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        #24

        Found this on their website, it's the PDF (presentation) of the "grading" discussion part of the May 26th meeting: https://go.boarddocs.com/il/oprfhs/Board.nsf/files/CELJGA4D1599/$file/Professional Development and Grading BOE Presentation_.pdf

        I love how the statement above says it's goal is to basically find a way to determine if a student has mastered academic content using an "objective, unbiased practice". Yeah, it's called... same test. Same criteria. Same grades. Equality for all.

        Note from the document above, the following excerpts:

        Summary of Findings

        • Traditional grading practices perpetuate inequities and intensify the opportunity gap
        • Integrating equitable assessment and grading practices into all academic and elective courses requires the collaborative effort of a team of educators committed to improvements that benefit all students
        • Many OPRFHS teachers are successfully exploring and implementing more equitable grading practices such as: utilizing aspects of competency-based grading, eliminating zeros from the grade book, and encouraging and rewarding growth over time
        • Teachers and administrators at OPRFHS will continue the process necessary to make grading improvements that reflect our core beliefs

        Next Steps
        Oak Park and River Forest High School administration and faculty will examine grading and reporting practices in academic and elective courses utilizing evidence-backed research and the racial equity analysis tool.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #25

          That "Summary of Findings" word salad was Kamala-worthy.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • 89th8 89th

            Found this on their website, it's the PDF (presentation) of the "grading" discussion part of the May 26th meeting: https://go.boarddocs.com/il/oprfhs/Board.nsf/files/CELJGA4D1599/$file/Professional Development and Grading BOE Presentation_.pdf

            I love how the statement above says it's goal is to basically find a way to determine if a student has mastered academic content using an "objective, unbiased practice". Yeah, it's called... same test. Same criteria. Same grades. Equality for all.

            Note from the document above, the following excerpts:

            Summary of Findings

            • Traditional grading practices perpetuate inequities and intensify the opportunity gap
            • Integrating equitable assessment and grading practices into all academic and elective courses requires the collaborative effort of a team of educators committed to improvements that benefit all students
            • Many OPRFHS teachers are successfully exploring and implementing more equitable grading practices such as: utilizing aspects of competency-based grading, eliminating zeros from the grade book, and encouraging and rewarding growth over time
            • Teachers and administrators at OPRFHS will continue the process necessary to make grading improvements that reflect our core beliefs

            Next Steps
            Oak Park and River Forest High School administration and faculty will examine grading and reporting practices in academic and elective courses utilizing evidence-backed research and the racial equity analysis tool.

            Catseye3C Offline
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            Catseye3
            wrote on last edited by
            #26

            @89th said in Changing Grades:

            . . . and the racial equity analysis tool.

            The phrase alone is enough to shiver your timbers, innit?

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              89th
              wrote on last edited by
              #27

              I love how everything is bucketed into the untouchable "Equity" bucket. Does anyone know what that means, or is that just an aggregation of previous efforts for diversity, equality, and affirmative action policies?

              @Horace come on...... touch that bucket.

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              • 89th8 89th

                I love how everything is bucketed into the untouchable "Equity" bucket. Does anyone know what that means, or is that just an aggregation of previous efforts for diversity, equality, and affirmative action policies?

                @Horace come on...... touch that bucket.

                HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #28

                @89th said in Changing Grades:

                @Horace come on...... touch that bucket.

                That’s what she said.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  #29

                  They will graduate a bunch of losers.

                  Losers beget losers.

                  Idiots

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    I love how everything is bucketed into the untouchable "Equity" bucket. Does anyone know what that means, or is that just an aggregation of previous efforts for diversity, equality, and affirmative action policies?

                    @Horace come on...... touch that bucket.

                    HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #30

                    @89th said in Changing Grades:

                    I love how everything is bucketed into the untouchable "Equity" bucket. Does anyone know what that means, or is that just an aggregation of previous efforts for diversity, equality, and affirmative action policies?

                    @Horace come on...... touch that bucket.

                    I imagine equity is a word meant to distinguish between equality of opportunity (not necessarily equitable) and outcome (equitable). Inequality of outcome is a conveniently permanent and unsolvable problem. Equity is the carrot forever out of reach of the country, and shame that we don't have equity is the stick used on the masses to get their votes. The left tries so hard to keep slavery front and center of public consciousness, because it makes people feel all the same feelings they should be feeling about modern inequality of outcome. The 1619 project is literally about gathering Dem votes through mass public shaming of white skinned people. But, as they say, you can't make me feel badly about something, without my permission. (That's a trite saying and not always true in practice, but it sounds good.)

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      The issue is that the solutions proposed to the "equality of opportunity" problem seem to be the "change the starting line" (e.g., affirmative action) or "change the finishing line" (e.g., grading) instead of how to improve what happens in the race itself.

                      And an even larger issue is the "equality of opportunity" is not a race thing at all. Plenty of whites and latinos start life at a significant disadvantage based on decisions of their parents... probably even more than blacks. Real solutions would be programs aimed at improving communities and economies (jobs). Only then are we on a path for permanent equity.

                      Also keep in mind I'm talking out our country where those in poverty live 100x better than those in other impoverished countries. Think not having fresh groceries within 5 miles is bad? Try hauling 50 mangos onto a train during rush hour in India to maybe make 2 bucks for the day.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
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                        Equity does not exist anywhere in nature, and it never will.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          The sacrifices people make just to get through college and get their upper middle class corporate jobs are completely disregarded. But anybody who wants that stuff, and is willing to make those sacrifices, can have it, if they have any ability. But stupid people are economically screwed, and they always will be. That's why you see the religious rejection of the concept of intelligence. If it exists, entire belief systems about how to achieve equity would crumble. And we can't have that. Those belief systems are what votes rest on.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            They will graduate a bunch of losers.

                            Losers beget losers.

                            Idiots

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #34

                            @Copper said in Changing Grades:

                            They will graduate a bunch of losers.

                            Losers beget losers.

                            Idiots

                            Lad, you don't understand.

                            There will be a very small middle class. Mostly it will be a underclass highly dependent on government largesse, and the "elections" will have predetermined results regulated by the ruling (and wealthy) upperclass.

                            To do this, you have to create a lot of ignorant people.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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