Changing Grades
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 12:09 last edited by
George, you need to quit making up this screwy stuff.
Who'd be stupid enough to believe anything this whack???
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Being a manager roughly 10 years from now will be an absolute hoot.
wrote on 31 May 2022, 12:12 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
Being a manager roughly 10 years from now will be an absolute hoot.
I was thinking something along these lines as well. The purpose of education is to, ahem, educate.
So if these kiddos in suburban Chicago can't read, spell, or do simple math(s), what will they do when they leave high-school? After all, there are only so many burger-flipper jobs out there.
For years, OPRF had a very good reputation. I wonder how it is now.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
Being a manager roughly 10 years from now will be an absolute hoot.
I was thinking something along these lines as well. The purpose of education is to, ahem, educate.
So if these kiddos in suburban Chicago can't read, spell, or do simple math(s), what will they do when they leave high-school? After all, there are only so many burger-flipper jobs out there.
For years, OPRF had a very good reputation. I wonder how it is now.
wrote on 31 May 2022, 12:14 last edited by@George-K said in Changing Grades:
So if these kiddos in suburban Chicago can't read, spell, or do simple math(s), what will they do when they leave high-school? After all, there are only so many burger-flipper jobs out there.
If they haven't even learned to show up, it won't really matter.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 12:31 last edited by
“Traditional grading practices perpetuate inequities and intensify the opportunity gap,” reads a slide in the PowerPoint deck outlining its rationale and goals.
No. Traditional grading practices provide equal opportunity. Race based grading simply hides the very real performance gap.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:25 last edited by
Deceit <> equality. if I were a black parent, I'd be screaming over this.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:45 last edited by
@Mik said in Changing Grades:
Deceit <> equality. if I were a black parent, I'd be screaming over this.
Not when your kid comes up with a 5.3 GPA on a 4.0 scale.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:47 last edited by
Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
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Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:50 last edited by@Mik said in Changing Grades:
Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
POTD!
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:50 last edited by
This sentence caught my eyes: “Traditional student grades include non-academic criteria that do not reflect student learning gains—including participation and on-time homework submission."
The “non-academic criteria” spoken here are indeed weighed very little or ignored by most of Asia when it comes to grading students, with one of two big tests determine the student’s final grade for a class. The attitude seems to be: “who cares if you attend class or do your homework? Just show how much you have mastered the material (through testing) near the end of class and that’s your grade.”
(Truancy is dealt with by other disciplinary actions, not reflected through academic grades.)
It’s a different philosophy where grades overwhelmingly measure “how much you know” rather than “how much efforts you have put in.”
That said, it does not read like that’s all the OPRF is going for. On balance, the OPRF proposal still reads more like it’s trying to mask problems rather than helping students learn.
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@Mik said in Changing Grades:
Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
POTD!
wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:54 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Changing Grades:
@Mik said in Changing Grades:
Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
POTD!
I think we need to re-evaluate how we award Post of the Day. The current system disproportionately rewards people who post clever stuff most people agree with, and discriminates against people whose main talent in life is posting knob-jokes, and/or pointing out grammatical errors.
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@Catseye3 said in Changing Grades:
@Mik said in Changing Grades:
Come on, this is the product of the worst kind of racism - low expectations. It says they are not capable of better. Making it easier to underachieve will just make things worse.
POTD!
I think we need to re-evaluate how we award Post of the Day. The current system disproportionately rewards people who post clever stuff most people agree with, and discriminates against people whose main talent in life is posting knob-jokes, and/or pointing out grammatical errors.
wrote on 31 May 2022, 13:57 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
I think we need to re-evaluate how we award Post of the Day.
Yes, and it should be at the freaking END of the day (unless it's @Klaus, for whom the end of the day will be sooner).
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:04 last edited by
NO ONE asked either of you knobheads.
Harrumph.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
I think we need to re-evaluate how we award Post of the Day.
Yes, and it should be at the freaking END of the day (unless it's @Klaus, for whom the end of the day will be sooner).
wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:15 last edited by@George-K said in Changing Grades:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
I think we need to re-evaluate how we award Post of the Day.
Yes, and it should be at the freaking END of the day (unless it's @Klaus, for whom the end of the day will be sooner).
The chances of it being Klaus seem pretty slim. His main connection to POTD's was when he accidentally deleted all of them.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:18 last edited by
@Mik said in Changing Grades:
NO ONE asked either of you knobheads.
Harrumph.That's right. And furthermore, in my own defense, the post I marked POTD was so unparalleled in its brilliance that it is inconceivable that anyone could have surpassed it, anyway.
So there.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:25 last edited by
You are wise beyond your years.
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:32 last edited by
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wrote on 31 May 2022, 14:55 last edited by
This will eliminate the possibility that a minority student might actually achieve.
Apparently they will get help whether they need it or not.
Remember when the Air Force said the last fighter pilot has already been born?
The last minority person ever to actually achieve good grades has already graduated.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
Being a manager roughly 10 years from now will be an absolute hoot.
I was thinking something along these lines as well. The purpose of education is to, ahem, educate.
So if these kiddos in suburban Chicago can't read, spell, or do simple math(s), what will they do when they leave high-school? After all, there are only so many burger-flipper jobs out there.
For years, OPRF had a very good reputation. I wonder how it is now.
wrote on 31 May 2022, 15:27 last edited by@George-K said in Changing Grades:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Changing Grades:
Being a manager roughly 10 years from now will be an absolute hoot.
I was thinking something along these lines as well. The purpose of education is to, ahem,
educateindoctrinate.So if these kiddos in suburban Chicago can't read, spell, or do simple math(s), what will they do when they leave high-school? After all, there are only so many burger-flipper jobs out there.
For years, OPRF had a very good reputation. I wonder how it is now.
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