A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners

[89th]

Videos are emerging, some more accurate than others, of parents in distress and being pissed off that cops were not storming the elementary school. It's not clear if the shooter was already dead, or if they were waiting for a reason but...

My hypothetical is this. If your child's elementary school had an active shooter situation. Would you, and how quickly if so, get your gun and run into the building (if you could get past the cops)?

I only own a handgun, but my animalistic gut feeling is there is NO WAY I could be stopped if I had the ability to go into the building to try and stop the shooter at my child's school.

[Copper]

Of course, you go after the guy.

https://www.wavy.com/news/national/onlookers-urged-police-to-charge-into-texas-school/

‘Go in there!’ Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

[Mik]

I suspect they'd shoot you, 89th. You don't want to go flailing around an active shooting site waving a firearm.

[89th]

@Mik said in A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners:

I suspect they'd shoot you, 89th. You don't want to go flailing around an active shooting site waving a firearm.

True. And out of principle and law, they wouldn't want another person with a gun going into a school, even if it's for good reason.

[LuFins Dad]

@Mik said in A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners:

I suspect they'd shoot you, 89th. You don't want to go flailing around an active shooting site waving a firearm.

Yeah, I'm not sure that just sending every single police officer through every single door or window with no coordination, communication, strategy, or plan is a very good option...

[Jolly]

@Mik said in A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners:

I suspect they'd shoot you, 89th. You don't want to go flailing around an active shooting site waving a firearm.

This. You're dead meat.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners:

@Mik said in A (texas) hypothetical for us gun owners:

I suspect they'd shoot you, 89th. You don't want to go flailing around an active shooting site waving a firearm.

Yeah, I'm not sure that just sending every single police officer through every single door or window with no coordination, communication, strategy, or plan is a very good option...

There's a simple way to harden the target and I'll relay some ideas a friend shared with me. He's a guy who has done some time in The Sandbox for Uncle Sam, then worked as executive protection and eventually owned his own company...

1. You need one entry point into the school. That point should be hardened like a bank, with bulletproof plastic or glass and a way to lock the room down to contain a violent person.
2. You need a LEO in every school. Uniformed and armed, with full arresting powers.
3. The building can and should have multiple egress points, but those points must only open out, never in.
4. Some of the teachers should carry concealed weapons. They should be properly trained by law enforcement, proficient in their use of firearms and nobody outside of the principal, the school superintendent and local law enforcement should know who they are.
5. For those teachers who carry weapons, each should be assigned a certain area of the school. Each teacher will be given a thin vest. The vests will be different colors and each area will have its own color. Again, the colors will not be common knowledge, but will be known to supervisory personnel and LEO's.
6. For those students who exhibit a lot of violent tendencies or who otherwise appear very troubled, extra attention needs to be given them. Evaluation, counseling, etc. And at some point, removal from the school, permanently.

The ideas are pretty simple. We're controlling access. We're creating doubt in the prospective shooter's mind about who is armed. We are trying to give LEO quick visual clues on who should have a gun in their hand in a crazy situation.