Texas shooting.

[89th]

The above is the timeline. That exterior door was obv a fatal error in retrospect. Ramos was firing at the school from the parking lot at first, didn’t seem like he had a plan but probably saw that door was propped open.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

Actually, I gave you recommendations the other day from a guy that did executive security.

How well does "executive security" translates to "public school security"?

Security for a billionaire, his/her immediate family, and his/her entourage has got to have many significant differences than security for hundreds and thousands of public school children, right? The difference in cost of security $ per protected person has got to be huge, right?

In some respects, no.

It's all about how to negate a threat and different venues, people, etc., will call for different responses using the resources allocated unto you.

[Mik]

You get screened going into all sorts of public buildings and arenas. Should schools with our children be less secure?

[Copper]

Should anyplace be less secure?

It used to be post offices and military bases.

Did they become more secure or did the focus shift?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

The country is going to take such a massive shit on those cops.

Deserved, no?

Probably deserved by one of them, some decision maker. Then the others fell in line, as is their job.

Ah, the Nuremberg defense.

You just keep on doing something. It's impressive.

What's impressive to me is to defend these assholes in particular while hating firefighters generally.

[Doctor Phibes]

I suspect if lots of money is spent hardening schools that a fair amount of time is going to be spent explaining how an attack that occurred just wasn’t possible

I honestly don’t think that turning our children’s places of work, and in some cases their refuge, into fortresses is a good idea at all. What kind of message does it send? Aren’t we already being accused of being the overprotective generation?

[Horace]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

The country is going to take such a massive shit on those cops.

Deserved, no?

Probably deserved by one of them, some decision maker. Then the others fell in line, as is their job.

Ah, the Nuremberg defense.

You just keep on doing something. It's impressive.

What's impressive to me is to defend these assholes in particular while hating firefighters generally.

Right, because I hate firefighters. I don't actually hate firefighters, but it would probably be ok if more people understood that their hero status is not based on consistently passing tests like these that the cops failed.

[Copper]

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

Right, because I hate firefighters. I don't actually hate firefighters, but it would probably be ok if more people understood that their hero status is not based on consistently passing tests like these that the cops failed.

Did you know that almost 70% of firefighters in this country are volunteers?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

The country is going to take such a massive shit on those cops.

Deserved, no?

Probably deserved by one of them, some decision maker. Then the others fell in line, as is their job.

Ah, the Nuremberg defense.

You just keep on doing something. It's impressive.

What's impressive to me is to defend these assholes in particular while hating firefighters generally.

Right, because I hate firefighters. I don't actually hate firefighters, but it would probably be ok if more people understood that their hero status is not based on consistently passing tests like these that the cops failed.

Consistently?

[Horace]

@Copper said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

Right, because I hate firefighters. I don't actually hate firefighters, but it would probably be ok if more people understood that their hero status is not based on consistently passing tests like these that the cops failed.

Did you know that almost 70% of firefighters in this country are volunteers?

I suspect volunteer school shooter fighters would not wait for backup. But the posts Aqua is remembering, are probably my commentary on the unionized fire fighters in larger cities. Jobs for which applications pile up to the ceiling. There's a reason for that.

[Mik]

[jon-nyc]

[George K]

@jon-nyc safety first!

[89th]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

I suspect if lots of money is spent hardening schools that a fair amount of time is going to be spent explaining how an attack that occurred just wasn’t possible

I honestly don’t think that turning our children’s places of work, and in some cases their refuge, into fortresses is a good idea at all. What kind of message does it send? Aren’t we already being accused of being the overprotective generation?

Agreed. I would rather err on the side of open than over protection. When I lived in Virginia the baseball games went from a turnstile to a thorough security check. In MN luckily so far it’s back to a turnstile.

[Doctor Phibes]

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

I suspect if lots of money is spent hardening schools that a fair amount of time is going to be spent explaining how an attack that occurred just wasn’t possible

I honestly don’t think that turning our children’s places of work, and in some cases their refuge, into fortresses is a good idea at all. What kind of message does it send? Aren’t we already being accused of being the overprotective generation?

Agreed. I would rather err on the side of open than over protection. When I lived in Virginia the baseball games went from a turnstile to a thorough security check. In MN luckily so far it’s back to a turnstile.

The thought of seeing these innocent, wide-eyed kids at age 6 being shepherded through high-security checkpoints by armed security guards is too dismal for words.

And arming teachers?

There has to be a better solution than further militarizing American society. The police already look like military units, and it's not a good look.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

too dismal for words.

Yes, it is.

And just as dismal

One side or the other, either democrat or republican, cnn or fox, will demand militarized schools. And that will be the end of the discussion. The line will be drawn.

[Mik]

Who is suggesting high security checkpoints? All I’m saying is once the school day starts and the kids are in, lock it down with one secure point of ingress where any visitor must be seen and ask for entry.

[Jolly]

A local candidate for school board dropped by today and I helped him with part of his platform...We were kicking the security stuff around and he told me something I didn't know. This school district was among the first, if not the very first, to put resource officer in every school - elementary, middle and high school.

Poor as we are, everybody should be able to do that.

[Mik]

We have had them for a long time here. My daughter graduated in 2011 and they were common then.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

Who is suggesting high security checkpoints? All I’m saying is once the school day starts and the kids are in, lock it down with one secure point of ingress where any visitor must be seen and ask for entry.

Donald Trump is suggesting fortified single points of entry, metal detectors, and at least one armed officer on every campus.