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    Jolly
    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:48 last edited by
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    Hell, I stand for Dixie.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

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      7 Jun 2020, 00:48

      Hell, I stand for Dixie.

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      George K
      wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:49 last edited by
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      @Jolly said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:

      Hell, I stand for Dixie.

      Jolly wins the "Unsurprising Post Of The Day" award.

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        Larry
        wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:51 last edited by
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          Larry
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          • L Larry
            7 Jun 2020, 00:34

            @xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:

            Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.

            I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.

            I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.

            It's not a "patriotic signal". Its a matter of respect. The national anthem and our flag stand because tens of thousands of men and women left their families and sacrificed their lives so that we would continue to enjoy the rights and freedoms we enjoy. All you've been asked to do is honor their memory for a couple of minutes as a show of respect. Where I come from, people are very polite. But if you don't stand for the national anthem, if you don't stand for the pledge to our flag, someone will likely politely kick your ass.

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            xenon
            wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:13 last edited by xenon 6 Jul 2020, 01:16
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            @Larry my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something.

            People go through the motions and check the boxes.

            It’s the same logic as disliking virtue signaling.

            Putting so much emphasis on the rituals absolves people of doing real things that make a difference.

            Perhaps a social norm should be young people visiting senior vets and learning a thing or two. Maybe there should be higher social hurdles to pass before we start getting into a hissy fit and beating up people.

            It’s like making your kid grudgingly go to church every Sunday instead of putting in the work to make the religion relevant to them.

            My point was that the bar is too low. Standing up for an anthem is easy.

            But, the only thing the vast majority of people feel obligated to do to show respect to the military is stand up for an anthem.

            The bar for doing your part in a civic society is so ridiculously low.

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              Catseye3
              wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:28 last edited by
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              I wish this thing had a "Like" button like Tapatalk did. Thanks, Xenon.

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                7 Jun 2020, 01:13

                @Larry my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something.

                People go through the motions and check the boxes.

                It’s the same logic as disliking virtue signaling.

                Putting so much emphasis on the rituals absolves people of doing real things that make a difference.

                Perhaps a social norm should be young people visiting senior vets and learning a thing or two. Maybe there should be higher social hurdles to pass before we start getting into a hissy fit and beating up people.

                It’s like making your kid grudgingly go to church every Sunday instead of putting in the work to make the religion relevant to them.

                My point was that the bar is too low. Standing up for an anthem is easy.

                But, the only thing the vast majority of people feel obligated to do to show respect to the military is stand up for an anthem.

                The bar for doing your part in a civic society is so ridiculously low.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:34 last edited by Jolly 6 Jul 2020, 01:34
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                @xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:

                @Larry my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something.

                People go through the motions and check the boxes.

                It’s the same logic as disliking virtue signaling.

                Putting so much emphasis on the rituals absolves people of doing real things that make a difference.

                Perhaps a social norm should be young people visiting senior vets and learning a thing or two. Maybe there should be higher social hurdles to pass before we start getting into a hissy fit and beating up people.

                It’s like making your kid grudgingly go to church every Sunday instead of putting in the work to make the religion relevant to them.

                My point was that the bar is too low. Standing up for an anthem is easy.

                But, the only thing the vast majority of people feel obligated to do to show respect to the military is stand up for an anthem.

                The bar for doing your part in a civic society is so ridiculously low.

                A Southern boy is much more likely to stand while the anthem is playing. Say what you will, those boys eventually make up a huge portion of the noncommisioned officer corps of the U.S. Army. And the commissioned officers.

                Maybe it's because the South is more militaristic. Maybe it's because we respect tradition just a little bit more. Or maybe it's because so many of our ancestors have been laid to rest with the flag draped on the coffin.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:51 last edited by
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                  " my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something. "

                  That's an opinion you have, but not one I share. One does not lead to the other.

                  So I'll put it this way... if you find me sitting next to you at a football game and you hear the announcer tell everyone to stand for the national anthem, you might want to stand.......

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                    6 Jun 2020, 20:11

                    Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.

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                    89th
                    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 02:45 last edited by 89th 6 Jul 2020, 02:47
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                    @LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:

                    Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.

                    This past Tuesday was I guess #blackouttuesday on social media. People posted black squares in support of...black lives, I guess?

                    If you scrolled Instagram, it was dozens of black squares in a row.

                    So what did I post that evening? This. A photo from my walk with my daughter that evening. The timing of my post was not by accident.

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                      89th
                      wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 02:49 last edited by
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                      @LuFins-Dad this is to say, I don’t post about politics (etc) on social media. Haven’t for years. I’ve learned if I can’t convince the above average intelligence found here in TNCR of my opinion, I sure as hell cant change any minds in the social media realm!

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                        89th
                        wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 12:23 last edited by
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                        https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9muar_1591467709

                        This video somewhat answers your original question, @Horace

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 14:05 last edited by Klaus 6 Jul 2020, 14:17
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                          Germans these days generally have very little patriotism and appreciation of symbols like flags or anthems, which is of course due to the destructive extreme forms of patriotism in the 20th century.

                          I must say, though, that while I understand the utility of patriotism to some degree, having a completely unemotional relationship to that entity we call "Deutschland" is liberating in some other ways. It enables a way more impartial view of one's own history.

                          For instance, I doubt that there are many other countries where a seminal song/video like Rammstein's "Deutschland" would work.

                          Link to video

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                            7 Jun 2020, 14:05

                            Germans these days generally have very little patriotism and appreciation of symbols like flags or anthems, which is of course due to the destructive extreme forms of patriotism in the 20th century.

                            I must say, though, that while I understand the utility of patriotism to some degree, having a completely unemotional relationship to that entity we call "Deutschland" is liberating in some other ways. It enables a way more impartial view of one's own history.

                            For instance, I doubt that there are many other countries where a seminal song/video like Rammstein's "Deutschland" would work.

                            Link to video

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 15:48 last edited by
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                            And then there's this...

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                            I was only joking

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                            • K Klaus
                              7 Jun 2020, 14:05

                              Germans these days generally have very little patriotism and appreciation of symbols like flags or anthems, which is of course due to the destructive extreme forms of patriotism in the 20th century.

                              I must say, though, that while I understand the utility of patriotism to some degree, having a completely unemotional relationship to that entity we call "Deutschland" is liberating in some other ways. It enables a way more impartial view of one's own history.

                              For instance, I doubt that there are many other countries where a seminal song/video like Rammstein's "Deutschland" would work.

                              Link to video

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 8 Jun 2020, 15:15 last edited by
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                              @Klaus said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:

                              Germans these days generally have very little patriotism and appreciation of symbols like flags or anthems, which is of course due to the destructive extreme forms of patriotism in the 20th century.

                              I was present for a notable exception, Berlin 2006 when Germany won the 3rd place match in the World Cup. Lots of people driving around waving the flag, and much noted in the press the following days.

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