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The commentary on the leak seems overwrought

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
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    Somebody needs to go to prison. On a felony charge if at all possible.

    I'm willing to accept a plea bargain...If it was a law clerk, three years probation and no jail time, in return for never, ever having a license to practice law.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 89th8 Online
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      89th
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      #3

      The leak is unacceptable on many levels... tradition, integrity, and breaking the code of our highest court (and IMO, the most important branch of the government). That being said... let the investigation play out. In terms of impact, one could argue it just helps "release some pressure" from what otherwise would've been a June (non) surprise that spins the left up. Others could argue it helps jumpstart the dem strategy in November.

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      • HoraceH Online
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        Horace
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        #4

        Just a blinkered righteous douche breaking important institutional rules because they felt morally called to do so. Yes they will be a pop cultural hero when unmasked.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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          Aqua Letifer
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          #5

          Here's my thing: because of trigger laws, this decision could've (and still could) catch many people out. If the process we have in place can allow for crazy shit like people dying in hospitals, shouldn't the process be different?

          Please love yourself.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
            #6

            That’s actually a fair point.

            Plenty of people will soon know (1) they live in a trigger state and (2) the decision is coming end of June. Many of whom would have been oblivious to both until it was a fait acompli

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • 89th8 Online
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              89th
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              #7

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              Arkansas
              Arkansas has a law on the books that would ban nearly all abortions in the event that Roe is overturned, except for in the case of a life-threatening medical emergency. A medical provider who violates the law could face up to 10 years in prison, a fine of up to $100,000 or both.
              Last year, a federal judge blocked another bill passed by state legislators which aimed to block nearly all abortions and made no exceptions for rape or incest.

              Idaho
              Idaho's trigger ban would make providing abortions a felony punishable by up to five years in prison if Roe is struck down. Exceptions are provided to prevent the death of the pregnant person or in the case of rape or incest.

              In March, Idaho legislators passed a separate bill modeled after Texas' restrictive law, which prohibits abortion once fetal cardiac activity can be detected, which can happen as early as six weeks. The law also allows family members of the fetus to sue the medical provider who performed the procedure.

              The ban was temporarily blocked by the state Supreme Court last month after abortion providers challenged it in a lawsuit.

              Kentucky
              Kentucky's legislature passed a bill in 2019 which would ban abortions and make performing them a felony offense if the Supreme Court overturns Roe. Very limited exceptions would be provided to prevent the death or serious injury of the person giving birth.

              Louisiana
              Louisiana has a law in place that would ban a medical provider from performing an abortion procedure or providing drugs intended to induce an abortion in the case that Roe is overturned. The ban would not apply to life-threatening or serious medical emergencies, but requires the physician makes "reasonable medical efforts" to preserve the life of the adult and the fetus.

              Mississippi
              Mississippi law states that within 10 days of the state attorney general confirming Roe has been overturned, abortions are prohibited in the state. Limited exceptions are provided in cases of rape or when the procedure would preserve the mother's life.
              Mississippi passed a separate 15-week abortion ban in 2018, which is the source of the case currently in front of the Supreme Court. The court is expected to announce its decision in June, but a draft opinion revealed by Politico suggests a majority of the justices may be poised to strike down Roe.

              Missouri
              Missouri approved a law in 2019 that would make it a felony for medical providers to perform or induce an abortion except in cases of medical emergencies if Roe is struck down.

              North Dakota
              A law approved by the North Dakota legislature in 2007 would ban abortion and make it a felony to perform the procedure except in cases when it would save the life of the mother. The law would go into effect "as a result of new decisions by the Supreme Court of the United States" that would make the provision constitutional.

              Oklahoma
              Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt signed a bill last month that would make performing abortions illegal in the state, only allowing exceptions to save the life of the pregnant person. The measure makes performing an abortion or attempting to perform one a felony punishable by a maximum fine of $100,000 or a maximum of 10 years in state prison, or both.
              A second bill signed into law last week sets a timeline for provisions to go into effect, depending on how the Supreme Court rules.

              South Dakota
              South Dakota has had a trigger ban on the books since 2005, when a law was passed to set up an almost outright ban on abortions in the event that Roe is overturned. The law would make it illegal to perform an abortion except in life-threatening medical emergencies and would become effective "on the date states are recognized by the United States Supreme Court to have the authority to prohibit abortion at all stages of pregnancy."

              Tennessee
              Tennessee law contains a provision that would prohibit all abortions except those that would prevent the death of the mother and would go into effect 30 days after Roe is struck down. Medical providers could be charged with a felony for violating the law.

              Texas
              Texas' so-called trigger ban was signed into law in June 2021 and would make abortions illegal unless the pregnant person's life is threatened or they are at risk of serious injury. The law would go into effect 30 days after the Supreme Court issues a judgment overruling Roe.

              Utah
              Utah passed a law in May 2020 banning almost all abortions if Roe is overturned. Exceptions include cases of rape or incest, detection of severe birth defects, or prevention of the death or serious injury of the person giving birth. Performing an abortion in violation of the law is a second-degree felony.

              Wyoming
              Signed into law last month, Wyoming's bill added a provision that would make it illegal to perform an abortion if Roe is overturned, with extremely limited exceptions for cases of sexual assault, incest, or the risk of death or severe injury to the person giving birth.

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              • 89th8 Online
                89th8 Online
                89th
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                #8

                https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/us/state-abortion-trigger-laws-roe-v-wade-overturned/index.html

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                • HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
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                  I wonder if many of those trigger laws will be quickly overturned now that they will be something more than symbolic.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    I don't know about quickly, but I do think that some of those laws will be revisited.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      That’s actually a fair point.

                      Plenty of people will soon know (1) they live in a trigger state and (2) the decision is coming end of June. Many of whom would have been oblivious to both until it was a fait acompli

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                      Catseye3
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                      @jon-nyc " . . . they live in a trigger state"

                      Nail on the head, I think. Thanks to social media, it is now not only fashionable but close to imperative in the minds of many to launch outrage on any content that veers even slightly from the bland.

                      "Mothers, do you feed your children supermarket peanut butter? Did you know supermarket peanut butter contains SUGAR? What kind of no-nothing parent are you, you stupid fucking COW? You should be taken away and DROWNED in the OCEAN, you irresponsible fuckwit!!!!!!!!!!"

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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