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Fertility clinics in some red states

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    I’ve seen estimates that the number of abortions will decrease only by about 10-15% since abortion is more common in states that are abortion friendly.

    Also read that they are disproportionately obtained by black women.

    So I’m guessing more black babies in red states is what we should expect.

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    @jon-nyc said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

    I’ve seen estimates that the number of abortions will decrease only by about 10-15% since abortion is more common in states that are abortion friendly.

    Also read that they are disproportionately obtained by black women.

    So I’m guessing more black babies in red states is what we should expect.

    Interesting side note... I've seen where if there were no abortion, the percentage of black people in America would be doubled.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Mik

      Off topic somewhat, but I would like to see a simultaneous push to expand and streamline our adoption machinery in this country. There will be a lot of babies born that are not wanted.

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      @Mik said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

      Off topic somewhat, but I would like to see a simultaneous push to expand and streamline our adoption machinery in this country. There will be a lot of babies born that are not wanted.

      Sidenote...IIRC, the trigger law in Texas contains $100M for pregnancy assistance, including adoption, in the event of R v W overturn.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Standard IVF practice usually fertilize more eggs than will be implanted into a womb, so if the law defines “life begins at conception” and “conception” is synonymous to “fertilization,” then wouldn’t the standard IVF practice be “premeditated murder” — creating more “lives” than the practitioners know well ahead of time that some will be “die” because a greater-than-zero number of these “lives” will never be implanted?

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          @Mik said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

          Off topic somewhat, but I would like to see a simultaneous push to expand and streamline our adoption machinery in this country. There will be a lot of babies born that are not wanted.

          Sidenote...IIRC, the trigger law in Texas contains $100M for pregnancy assistance, including adoption, in the event of R v W overturn.

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          @Jolly said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

          @Mik said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

          Off topic somewhat, but I would like to see a simultaneous push to expand and streamline our adoption machinery in this country. There will be a lot of babies born that are not wanted.

          Sidenote...IIRC, the trigger law in Texas contains $100M for pregnancy assistance, including adoption, in the event of R v W overturn.

          There were 55,000 abortions in Texas in 2017. So this would amount to about $3500 per person for pregnancy assistance.

          Compassionate conservatism at work right here, folks!

          Please love yourself.

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            The Texas "pregnancy assistance" money only gets released upon triggering by SCOTUS' ruling on Roe v. Wade? Is "pregnancy assistance" not a good idea before SCOTUS rules on Roe v. Wade?

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              The Texas "pregnancy assistance" money only gets released upon triggering by SCOTUS' ruling on Roe v. Wade? Is "pregnancy assistance" not a good idea before SCOTUS rules on Roe v. Wade?

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              @Axtremus said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

              The Texas "pregnancy assistance" money only gets released upon triggering by SCOTUS' ruling on Roe v. Wade? Is "pregnancy assistance" not a good idea before SCOTUS rules on Roe v. Wade?

              Where need is greater, assistance is greater. That’s how compassion works.

              Education is extremely important.

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                There is no such fund in the Texas trigger law

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  @jon-nyc said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

                  I’ve seen estimates that the number of abortions will decrease only by about 10-15% since abortion is more common in states that are abortion friendly.

                  Also read that they are disproportionately obtained by black women.

                  So I’m guessing more black babies in red states is what we should expect.

                  Interesting side note... I've seen where if there were no abortion, the percentage of black people in America would be doubled.

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                  @Jolly said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

                  Interesting side note... I've seen where if there were no abortion, the percentage of black people in America would be doubled.

                  Democrats hate black people. They like the votes, but they really hate the people.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    There is no such fund in the Texas trigger law

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                    @jon-nyc said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

                    There is no such fund in the Texas trigger law

                    Sorry, I said IIRC. In actuality, they're already spending it...

                    https://www.lifenews.com/2021/09/01/texas-spends-100-million-to-help-pregnant-moms-while-it-protects-babies-from-abortion/

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Someone once wrote that, at first approximation, middle+ class use birth control, working class use abortion, and the poor use the crib.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Fertility clinics in some red states:

                      Someone once wrote that, at first approximation, middle+ class use birth control, working class use abortion, and the poor use the crib.

                      (I don’t think her conclusion follows but I’m posting for the stats)

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        So, babies are killed for convenience and money.

                        Got it.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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