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Tell me about building a PC

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  • markM Offline
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    mark
    wrote on last edited by
    #119

    Some parts started showing up...

    The back of the case opened with a 1 TB SATA SSD mounted.
    4 out of 6 Samsung 980 1TB SSDs The other two arrive tomorrow. I am using 3 per computer.
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    The MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE motherboard fits like a glove. A little tight in some areas but nothing I can't figure out. The wiring channels and built-in Velcro straps in the case, will make things nice and tidy.

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    I purchased a "temporary" processor that Newegg had on sale. A 4 core 8 thread RYZEN 5 3400 G with built-in GPU just so I can test everything. The processors are not due to ship until 12/21/2020 so I needed something to tie me over. I will end up making a small workstation out of it for testing software, and other tasks. I may use it as my first water cooling project seeing as all the components I will use for that build, will be much less expensive than the main computers.

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      #120

      on the test bench for some stress testing...

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      The Noctua CPU cooler with a nickel on top for scale.

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      The CPU has been at 100% utilization for over 6 hours now. The temps haven't gone above 62 degrees celsius. This is only a 4 core processor that is not being overclocked so I didn't expect the temps to get any higher than that.

      So far so good!

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        xenon
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        #121

        That's some top notch gear. Reminds me of this rib against habitual upgraders:

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        • markM Offline
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          mark
          wrote on last edited by mark
          #122

          lol

          So true. I am, however, upgrading from a 1st Gen i7.

          I am waiting for "Big Navi" the first batch of them, are being released on Wednesday. I have a few people going to battle for one or two of them. I hope to get at least one.

          I am also waiting for the 5950X processors. I have two on pre-order at B&H. The last update from B&H estimated 21/21 for ship date.

          And depending on how well the 5950X overclocks with the Noctua air cooler, I might just yet, get an AIO. Custom loop will come eventually.

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            xenon
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            #123

            Here's some inspiration for anyone looking to do a more natural PC build.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              #124

              I want to use that PC to crank out some algorithm for optimizing fracking.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
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                Please love yourself.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

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                  markM Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Tell me about building a PC:

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                  lol

                  This just might void your warranty. They have the CPU and all 4 GPUs being cooled with Liquid Nitrogen.
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                  • markM Offline
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                    mark
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #127

                    Just getting my feet wet with this whole overclocking business.

                    It's pretty cool to watch measurable results happen with each tweak you make to the seemingly endless list of parameters.

                    At any moment you can render the machine un-bootable and you have to be prepared to clear the bios and start again. You can create 2 XMP memory profiles that provide a templates you can save, but that doesn't save the cpu parameters. Still figuring it all out.

                    Right now I have the Ryzen 5 3400G running 4.5 Mhz above it's "maximum clock speed" I am shooting for + 100Mhz.

                    Learned that the processor's "boost mode" that lets it automatically increase the clock speed provides as maximum of 4.0 Ghz and is not turned on by default. Out of the box the processor was only running at 3.7 Ghz and it was not "turbo boosting".

                    I turned off the factory boost all together and went for all cores running at a fixed frequency of 4.2045 Ghz.

                    It's running Prime95 now and it is passing all the tests. The CPU core temps are elevated of course, but they are still in an optimum range of 70c.

                    Baby steps...

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #128

                      @jon-nyc ...did you ever build it?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • markM Offline
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                        mark
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #129

                        Old PC with a 7200RPM 4TB Mechanical HD and 2TB SATA SSD
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                        New Motherboard. The temporary Ryzen 5 3400G processor is limited to 3GB/sec. With the new processor, I am expecting 5GB/sec write speed and 7GB/sec read speed.

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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          Klaus
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                          #130

                          The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

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                          • KlausK Klaus

                            The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

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                            @Klaus said in Tell me about building a PC:

                            The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

                            Nah. 6X is 6X! lol

                            It will be amazingly fast for the large files I deal with, in photography, audio and video project files. I don't do much video, these days. That can, and probably will change.

                            Actually, I am always impressed at the new found speed of a brand new computer that you build expressly for speed. Then it becomes the new normal and as little as 1 year later you start dreaming of a faster computer. But, if you do it correctly, that feeling might be delayed for as long as 6 or 7 years. That is what I attempting to do. Build a 7 to 10 year computer. Just like I did last time.

                            If all I did was internet browsing, shopping, social and anti-social networking, I would not even be looking at a new computer. My 10 year old i7 with 12 GB of ram and a 1 GB video card does just fine for that.

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                              I'm just pulling your leg a little, Mark 😉

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                              • KlausK Klaus

                                I'm just pulling your leg a little, Mark 😉

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                                mark
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                                @Klaus 👽

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                                • KlausK Offline
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                                  Klaus
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                                  #134

                                  OK, you made me curious. Tried the same benchmark on the low-budget PC I built a few weeks ago. I think in total I paid less than $400: A cheap $100 motherboard, a <$100 SSD, RAM for $80, a $100 CPU.

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                                  Does it depress you that the cheapest crap money can buy is still faster than your overclocked "money doesn't matter" build?

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                                  • markM Offline
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                                    mark
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #135

                                    My build is not complete. Still running at half the speed. I thought I mentioned that.

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                                    • KlausK Offline
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                                      Klaus
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                                      OK, then I'm relieved 😉

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                                      • markM Offline
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                                        mark
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                                        Not overclocked. The processor is not stable above 4.2Ghz.

                                        I know that cheap stuff performs well. I am not about being cheap. I am not about being completely crazy about spending money otherwise I would spend $1500 on my video card and $4,500 on my processor alone. lol

                                        As it is I am willing to spend $1,000 on my video card and $800 on my processor. And my motherboard was a complete indulgence, at $650, but I like it. So there!

                                        I just bought a $189 motherboard, and 32GB of ram for this 4 core test processor. I am doing a "budget build" with it.

                                        My "budget" just happens to be more than yours. lol

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                                          mark
                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          The budget build is complete. I decided I needed 64 GB of ram and I am testing the CPU AIO Water cooler that will ultimately end up in the big build.

                                          Here it is after I replaced the 2 front 140mm factory fans with 3 120mm RGB fans. I have the GPU mounted vertically. It is nothing special (Radeon RX 560 w/4GB GDDR5 SDRAM) But it gets me 60fps in the new WoW expansion at graphics level 4. Not too shabby.

                                          Love the 38" Ultra-Wide 3840x1600 LG monitor.

                                          Picked up a Corsair K57 RGB Wireless Gaming keyboard and an MSI Clutch GM30 RGB 6 button, 6200 dpi, programmable gaming mouse.

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