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Tell me about building a PC

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  • markM Offline
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    Old PC with a 7200RPM 4TB Mechanical HD and 2TB SATA SSD
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    New Motherboard. The temporary Ryzen 5 3400G processor is limited to 3GB/sec. With the new processor, I am expecting 5GB/sec write speed and 7GB/sec read speed.

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    • KlausK Offline
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      The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

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      • KlausK Klaus

        The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

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        @Klaus said in Tell me about building a PC:

        The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.

        Nah. 6X is 6X! lol

        It will be amazingly fast for the large files I deal with, in photography, audio and video project files. I don't do much video, these days. That can, and probably will change.

        Actually, I am always impressed at the new found speed of a brand new computer that you build expressly for speed. Then it becomes the new normal and as little as 1 year later you start dreaming of a faster computer. But, if you do it correctly, that feeling might be delayed for as long as 6 or 7 years. That is what I attempting to do. Build a 7 to 10 year computer. Just like I did last time.

        If all I did was internet browsing, shopping, social and anti-social networking, I would not even be looking at a new computer. My 10 year old i7 with 12 GB of ram and a 1 GB video card does just fine for that.

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        • KlausK Offline
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          I'm just pulling your leg a little, Mark 😉

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          • KlausK Klaus

            I'm just pulling your leg a little, Mark 😉

            markM Offline
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            @Klaus 👽

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            • KlausK Offline
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              OK, you made me curious. Tried the same benchmark on the low-budget PC I built a few weeks ago. I think in total I paid less than $400: A cheap $100 motherboard, a <$100 SSD, RAM for $80, a $100 CPU.

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              Does it depress you that the cheapest crap money can buy is still faster than your overclocked "money doesn't matter" build?

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              • markM Offline
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                My build is not complete. Still running at half the speed. I thought I mentioned that.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  OK, then I'm relieved 😉

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                  • markM Offline
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                    mark
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                    Not overclocked. The processor is not stable above 4.2Ghz.

                    I know that cheap stuff performs well. I am not about being cheap. I am not about being completely crazy about spending money otherwise I would spend $1500 on my video card and $4,500 on my processor alone. lol

                    As it is I am willing to spend $1,000 on my video card and $800 on my processor. And my motherboard was a complete indulgence, at $650, but I like it. So there!

                    I just bought a $189 motherboard, and 32GB of ram for this 4 core test processor. I am doing a "budget build" with it.

                    My "budget" just happens to be more than yours. lol

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                    • markM Offline
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                      The budget build is complete. I decided I needed 64 GB of ram and I am testing the CPU AIO Water cooler that will ultimately end up in the big build.

                      Here it is after I replaced the 2 front 140mm factory fans with 3 120mm RGB fans. I have the GPU mounted vertically. It is nothing special (Radeon RX 560 w/4GB GDDR5 SDRAM) But it gets me 60fps in the new WoW expansion at graphics level 4. Not too shabby.

                      Love the 38" Ultra-Wide 3840x1600 LG monitor.

                      Picked up a Corsair K57 RGB Wireless Gaming keyboard and an MSI Clutch GM30 RGB 6 button, 6200 dpi, programmable gaming mouse.

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                        https://gizmodo.com/someone-managed-to-overlock-a-14-year-old-intel-process-1845862632

                        14 year old Intel Celeron D 347 processor overclocked to 8.36 GHz.

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                        • markM Offline
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                          The "Aquarium PC Build".

                          The Lian Li 011D XL E-ATX case with tempered glass front and side.
                          7 chassis fans. 6 filtered intake fans 3 side, 3 bottom, 1 exhaust (rear)
                          2 CPU Radiator Exhaust Fans
                          1 CPU water pump housing (the round device with the lighted ASUS ROG logo that syncs with the RGB setup of the fans and memory.

                          All RGB controlled by MSIs Dragon Center.

                          Over the top? Not by a long shot. Custom water cooling is calling me. lol

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                          MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE Motherboard
                          AMD Ryzen 58006X 8 core 16 thread CPU (A 16 core / 32 thread 5950x is backordered)
                          64 GB DDR4 3600 16/16/16/36 memory
                          Sapphire AMD RADEON RX 6900XT GPU w/ 16 GB GDDR6 memory

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                            The Samsung Odessey G9 49" Ultra-Wide monitor arrived yesterday.

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                            5120x1440 @240Hz Vertical Refresh Rate.

                            Video Game is Black Desert Online. All graphics settings are maxed. Getting and average of 80 frames per second. Peaks at 120fps lows at 65fps.

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                              We’ve reached Peak Markj.

                              lol

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                We’ve reached Peak Markj.

                                lol

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                                @jon-nyc said in Tell me about building a PC:

                                We’ve reached Peak Markj.

                                lol

                                lol, not yet!

                                Still waiting on the 16 core Ryzen 5950X. Of course the system will not look any different. It will just have double the cores and threads available.

                                I also still have an Nvidia 3080 GPU on backorder for the other build.

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                                • markM mark

                                  @jon-nyc said in Tell me about building a PC:

                                  We’ve reached Peak Markj.

                                  lol

                                  lol, not yet!

                                  Still waiting on the 16 core Ryzen 5950X. Of course the system will not look any different. It will just have double the cores and threads available.

                                  I also still have an Nvidia 3080 GPU on backorder for the other build.

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                                  @mark 🕶

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    This finally showed up.
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                                    Ordered it on release day, 11/05/2020. It arrived here on 02/27/2021.

                                    Here is a shot of the Racing rig using the Samsung G9 49" Ultra-Wide and the Oculus Rift-S that I use on occassion. The monitor is so much better resolution than the Oculus Rift-S. Plus the VR headset gets very warm after about 10 minutes of racing. I probably use the monitor 95% of the time.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      If I showed that picture to my son his heart would stop.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Mark, first off, you're just a big kid!
                                        And I'm so jealous!!

                                        Anyway. When our power was out for a week, I purchased 2 generators: a 4000 watt, and a 2200 watt. Fortunately because Amazon (and I hate Amazon), they both arrived in a couple of days.

                                        Given you undoubtedly have the most powerful computer of any of us, do you have any idea how much current it draws? How many watts, amps.
                                        We were running the 4000 watt generator, and had several lights plugged in, a space heater using 1500 wats, and then all of our penultimate stuff like modem, router, wireless. We used 1 laptop, as I was concerned we were taxing the system too much.

                                        I figured an average computer and monitor doesn't require a lot of wattage, but frankly I have no idea. How much does a laptop require?

                                        If I plugged in all of our computers, we have 7 that we use, which includes a couple of laptops, (we really don't use the Apple equipment), how big of a generator would I need for just the computers? Is there an "average" I could use, or are there specs somewhere in the settings that would give me an answer?

                                        Sorry I'm stumbling around here, but I think you get the idea of what I am asking.

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                                        • RainmanR Rainman

                                          Mark, first off, you're just a big kid!
                                          And I'm so jealous!!

                                          Anyway. When our power was out for a week, I purchased 2 generators: a 4000 watt, and a 2200 watt. Fortunately because Amazon (and I hate Amazon), they both arrived in a couple of days.

                                          Given you undoubtedly have the most powerful computer of any of us, do you have any idea how much current it draws? How many watts, amps.
                                          We were running the 4000 watt generator, and had several lights plugged in, a space heater using 1500 wats, and then all of our penultimate stuff like modem, router, wireless. We used 1 laptop, as I was concerned we were taxing the system too much.

                                          I figured an average computer and monitor doesn't require a lot of wattage, but frankly I have no idea. How much does a laptop require?

                                          If I plugged in all of our computers, we have 7 that we use, which includes a couple of laptops, (we really don't use the Apple equipment), how big of a generator would I need for just the computers? Is there an "average" I could use, or are there specs somewhere in the settings that would give me an answer?

                                          Sorry I'm stumbling around here, but I think you get the idea of what I am asking.

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                                          @rainman The power supply in the big computer is 1000 watt capacity. I have calculated the most I would ever need day to day could be handled by a 650 watt power supply, I like to to have overhead, and room to experiment with overclocking etc.

                                          I just did a calculation for it at https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

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                                          I think I will start turning my computers off when I am not using them. lol That is a huge cost on a yearly basis, per computer.

                                          I also have the processors and graphics cards overclocked. The CPU has a TDP (Thermal Design Power) max of 105 watts. It can spike to 135 watts or more for short periods of time. I am definitely going to start shutting down my computers at night. I have two of these monsters running 24/7, a server also running 24/7 and various other Macs, PCs, TVs . My god I am a power vampire! lol

                                          Most business class computers and laptops take much less power.

                                          I have a Generac Generator 5500 wat (8500 watt surge) and a Champion 3500 watt. I have run a rack of 5 servers a couple of PCs, Macs, a refrigerator, electric fans running on just the Generac.

                                          I would like to install a whole house multi-fuel generator with auto-switch over. etc. Someday

                                          Back to your question, I think a 3500 watt generator would have plenty of power and overhead to handle 7 average PCs even if there were a couple like my PC in the mix.

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