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  • A Aqua Letifer
    3 May 2022, 16:25

    @LuFins-Dad

    However, these cases are the exception and should be treated as such. Abortion as belated birth control is fundamentally evil, but if a state is going to restrict it then it is also incumbent upon that state and the private citizens and businesses to provide adequate support for these young mothers and their children…

    That's the whole point. They're not.

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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 3 May 2022, 16:36 last edited by
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    @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:

    @LuFins-Dad

    However, these cases are the exception and should be treated as such. Abortion as belated birth control is fundamentally evil, but if a state is going to restrict it then it is also incumbent upon that state and the private citizens and businesses to provide adequate support for these young mothers and their children…

    That's the whole point. They're not.

    The cases aren’t the exception or the states aren’t supporting the mothers? Or both?

    The Brad

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    • A Aqua Letifer
      3 May 2022, 16:25

      @LuFins-Dad

      However, these cases are the exception and should be treated as such. Abortion as belated birth control is fundamentally evil, but if a state is going to restrict it then it is also incumbent upon that state and the private citizens and businesses to provide adequate support for these young mothers and their children…

      That's the whole point. They're not.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 3 May 2022, 16:37 last edited by
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      @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:

      @LuFins-Dad

      However, these cases are the exception and should be treated as such. Abortion as belated birth control is fundamentally evil, but if a state is going to restrict it then it is also incumbent upon that state and the private citizens and businesses to provide adequate support for these young mothers and their children…

      That's the whole point. They're not.

      But they can be.
      And maybe that's the best policy point going forward...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • A Aqua Letifer
        3 May 2022, 15:14

        @Horace said in Roe Overturned?:

        @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:

        @89th said in Roe Overturned?:

        @Horace said in RIP Roe:

        Probably a good thing if those who feel super strongly about the right to choose, move to states which share their belief.

        Yeah, it's kind of the point of having states. Mini-democracies to provide for their citizenry and try out the efficacy of legislative efforts.

        Pretty tone deaf to presume anyone who wants to move can just go ahead and do so.

        I don't make that assumption. My point was that it's for the good if people self-select and congregate over this, to whatever extent they are able. Right now we don't put "local laws" high on the list of reasons we move to or from states, but maybe this will change that. I would like to see people who feel viscerally about issues like this, go ahead and live amongst one another. Even if it's not always feasible for everybody to do so.

        That makes sense.

        One thing I don't get is the tone in this thread—equating a Roe overturn to a frivolous liberal sit-in. That's ridiculous. This is seriously going to impact many people's lives. It's not Justice for the Social Media Martyr of the Week.

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        89th
        wrote on 3 May 2022, 16:39 last edited by 89th 5 Mar 2022, 16:42
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        @Aqua-Letifer said in [Roe Overturned?]

        One thing I don't get is the tone in this thread—equating a Roe overturn to a frivolous liberal sit-in. That's ridiculous. This is seriously going to impact many people's lives. It's not Justice for the Social Media Martyr of the Week.

        I mean, one could argue allowing abortions also impacted (and ended) many lives.

        Yes the issue is complicated, passions on both sides. That’ll never end because there will never be consensus on when life/rights begin, whether killing an unborn baby with a beating heart is the same as killing a newborn, whether women’s rights trump prenatal rights, and certainly the cases of health risk, rape, failed pregnancies at 20 weeks, etc….

        It’s complicated, which is one reason I think leaving states to legislate makes more sense than a federal ruling. It allows for legal variation across the country. The ability to move to a state to bask in a different legal culture doesn’t impact things here IMO, that’s a side topic. There are many other laws that folks might move to/away from too.

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        • L LuFins Dad
          3 May 2022, 15:12

          @Aqua-Letifer said in RIP Roe:

          @LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:

          @George-K said in RIP Roe:

          "MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
          "MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
          "MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
          "MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"

          What's a woman? Are they biologists now?

          But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.

          There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.

          I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 3 May 2022, 16:55 last edited by
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          @LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

          I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…

          One of the smallest Venn intersections I occupy is pro-choice and anti-Roe/Griswold. Honestly I’ve never met anyone else that feels that way.

          You were warned.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 3 May 2022, 16:55 last edited by
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            Robert’s confirmed the document and is launching an investigation.

            You were warned.

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            • J Jolly
              3 May 2022, 16:36

              @LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

              It all comes down to 1 fundamental question. When is somebody recognized as being alive with all the essential human rights that come along with that?

              Ding! Ding! Ding!

              Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

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              xenon
              wrote on 3 May 2022, 17:40 last edited by xenon 5 Mar 2022, 17:41
              #73

              @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

              It all comes down to 1 fundamental question. When is somebody recognized as being alive with all the essential human rights that come along with that?

              Ding! Ding! Ding!

              Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

              The hard part is that both extremes believe the fetus is fundamentally the same thing from the microsecond after conception up until birth.

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              • X xenon
                3 May 2022, 17:40

                @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

                It all comes down to 1 fundamental question. When is somebody recognized as being alive with all the essential human rights that come along with that?

                Ding! Ding! Ding!

                Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

                The hard part is that both extremes believe the fetus is fundamentally the same thing from the microsecond after conception up until birth.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 3 May 2022, 18:08 last edited by
                #74

                @xenon said in Roe Overturned?:

                @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

                It all comes down to 1 fundamental question. When is somebody recognized as being alive with all the essential human rights that come along with that?

                Ding! Ding! Ding!

                Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

                The hard part is that both extremes believe the fetus is fundamentally the same thing from the microsecond after conception up until birth.

                Yeah, but science is on my side.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  George K
                  wrote on 3 May 2022, 20:20 last edited by
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                  (Former) POTUS:

                  alt text

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 3 May 2022, 20:27 last edited by
                    #76
                    1. Sugar, keep your legs crossed.
                    2. If you get drunk on your ass (literally), and forget to do #1, I strongly suspect the morning after regimen will still be available.
                    3. If you don't do #1 or #2, I'm sure there will be multiple states which will allow abortions, at various terms of pregnancy. Pick one and buy a bus ticket. or a plane ticket. Or make the guy buy it.
                    4. Keep the child and avail yourself of all the support that is provided for expectant mothers.
                    5. Marry the guy, or at least make him pay child support.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      George K
                      wrote on 3 May 2022, 20:32 last edited by
                      #77

                      LOL

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:36 last edited by
                        #78

                        Fauxahonatas rants speaks:

                        Have you seen a world where abortion occurs at 38 weeks?

                        Didn't think so.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          brenda
                          wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:38 last edited by
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                          The consensus of the left so far is that it's a call for Democrats to get out and vote. Now they have something to motivate their base for the next election.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:41 last edited by
                            #80

                            Long time until the next election.

                            It's still the economy, stupid...Mr. Clinton was right.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • B brenda
                              3 May 2022, 21:38

                              The consensus of the left so far is that it's a call for Democrats to get out and vote. Now they have something to motivate their base for the next election.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:49 last edited by
                              #81

                              @brenda said in Roe Overturned?:

                              The consensus of the left so far is that it's a call for Democrats to get out and vote. Now they have something to motivate their base for the next election.

                              Which, great. 🙄

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • J Jolly
                                3 May 2022, 21:41

                                Long time until the next election.

                                It's still the economy, stupid...Mr. Clinton was right.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:50 last edited by
                                #82

                                @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                Long time until the next election.

                                It's still the economy, stupid...Mr. Clinton was right.

                                You misspelled "Carville."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  3 May 2022, 21:50

                                  @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                  Long time until the next election.

                                  It's still the economy, stupid...Mr. Clinton was right.

                                  You misspelled "Carville."

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 3 May 2022, 21:58 last edited by
                                  #83

                                  @George-K said in Roe Overturned?:

                                  @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                  Long time until the next election.

                                  It's still the economy, stupid...Mr. Clinton was right.

                                  You misspelled "Carville."

                                  Two bodies, one heart.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 3 May 2022, 22:03 last edited by
                                    #84

                                    Chant harder...

                                    https://babylonbee.com/news/after-chanting-all-night-crowd-of-worshippers-still-cant-get-moloch-to-answer-them

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      3 May 2022, 22:03

                                      Chant harder...

                                      https://babylonbee.com/news/after-chanting-all-night-crowd-of-worshippers-still-cant-get-moloch-to-answer-them

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 3 May 2022, 22:13 last edited by
                                      #85

                                      @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                      Chant harder...

                                      https://babylonbee.com/news/after-chanting-all-night-crowd-of-worshippers-still-cant-get-moloch-to-answer-them

                                      How long before these doofuses start taking selfies?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Ivorythumper
                                        wrote on 3 May 2022, 22:21 last edited by Ivorythumper 5 Mar 2022, 22:22
                                        #86

                                        The Leaker? An aide from Sotomayor

                                        If so, she should resign.

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                                        • I Ivorythumper
                                          3 May 2022, 22:21

                                          The Leaker? An aide from Sotomayor

                                          If so, she should resign.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 3 May 2022, 22:27 last edited by George K 5 Mar 2022, 22:27
                                          #87

                                          @Ivorythumper I saw that last night.

                                          Gotta wonder the motivation - galvanize the base before the midterms? Too soon....

                                          Do you think she was aware?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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