Roe Overturned?
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Yeah, but what has Disney said about it?
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"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.
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Education is extremely important.
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@89th said in Roe Overturned?:
Probably a good thing if those who feel super strongly about the right to choose, move to states which share their belief.
Yeah, it's kind of the point of having states. Mini-democracies to provide for their citizenry and try out the efficacy of legislative efforts.
Pretty tone deaf to presume anyone who wants to move can just go ahead and do so.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:
@89th said in Roe Overturned?:
Probably a good thing if those who feel super strongly about the right to choose, move to states which share their belief.
Yeah, it's kind of the point of having states. Mini-democracies to provide for their citizenry and try out the efficacy of legislative efforts.
Pretty tone deaf to presume anyone who wants to move can just go ahead and do so.
I don't make that assumption. My point was that it's for the good if people self-select and congregate over this, to whatever extent they are able. Right now we don't put "local laws" high on the list of reasons we move to or from states, but maybe this will change that. I would like to see people who feel viscerally about issues like this, go ahead and live amongst one another. Even if it's not always feasible for everybody to do so.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in RIP Roe:
@LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.
I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…
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@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
POTUS speaks:
No hand-wringing about "institutional degradation" regarding the leak itself. Shocking. The leaker is just a soldier for the cause, doing righteous battle. Nothing to see there. Any good person would have done the same in her position. I mean, his or her or their. No telling. The leaker is definitely not the whitiest progressiviest femaliest person in the circle of those potentially responsible.
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@Horace said in Roe Overturned?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:
@89th said in Roe Overturned?:
Probably a good thing if those who feel super strongly about the right to choose, move to states which share their belief.
Yeah, it's kind of the point of having states. Mini-democracies to provide for their citizenry and try out the efficacy of legislative efforts.
Pretty tone deaf to presume anyone who wants to move can just go ahead and do so.
I don't make that assumption. My point was that it's for the good if people self-select and congregate over this, to whatever extent they are able. Right now we don't put "local laws" high on the list of reasons we move to or from states, but maybe this will change that. I would like to see people who feel viscerally about issues like this, go ahead and live amongst one another. Even if it's not always feasible for everybody to do so.
That makes sense.
One thing I don't get is the tone in this thread—equating a Roe overturn to a frivolous liberal sit-in. That's ridiculous. This is seriously going to impact many people's lives. It's not Justice for the Social Media Martyr of the Week.
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@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It will be interesting to see the electoral effects. With Roe/Casey in place, the GOP has tried to pass abortion-limiting laws that poll pretty well, like parental notification and late term stuff.
Without Roe we’ll see a lot of total bans, maybe including rape and incest. Those aren’t broadly popular. It will be interesting to watch.
I wonder how it effects State Legislature Elections. This will breath some life and energy into the Dems over the coming mid-terms.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RIP Roe:
@LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.
I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…
I don't think I have to tell you how messy abortion scenarios can get—but if so, feel free to do some googling.
Do you honestly think a woman facing one of those scenarios today should give more of a shit about caselaw than the consequences of having or not having an abortion?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It will be interesting to see the electoral effects. With Roe/Casey in place, the GOP has tried to pass abortion-limiting laws that poll pretty well, like parental notification and late term stuff.
Without Roe we’ll see a lot of total bans, maybe including rape and incest. Those aren’t broadly popular. It will be interesting to watch.
I wonder how it effects State Legislature Elections. This will breath some life and energy into the Dems over the coming mid-terms.
If the GOP manage to shoot themselves in the foot over this in the current economic and political climate it would be hilarious.
Sorry, sorry, not hilarious. Tragic.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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The simple solution for those who don't want a baby is to keep your pants on. Sometimes I wonder if that is widely known.
I wonder if the ruling will make an accommodation for those who get pregnant before the law changes and who expected to be able to get an abortion if desired.
Maybe they'll grandfather in those who would like to kill their recently conceived babies.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Roe Overturned?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It will be interesting to see the electoral effects. With Roe/Casey in place, the GOP has tried to pass abortion-limiting laws that poll pretty well, like parental notification and late term stuff.
Without Roe we’ll see a lot of total bans, maybe including rape and incest. Those aren’t broadly popular. It will be interesting to watch.
I wonder how it effects State Legislature Elections. This will breath some life and energy into the Dems over the coming mid-terms.
If the GOP manage to shoot themselves in the foot over this in the current economic and political climate it would be hilarious.
Sorry, sorry, not hilarious. Tragic.
I don't think the supreme court has the GOP's interests in mind. The leaker is the politically motivated actor here, and they did not act on behalf of the GOP.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RIP Roe:
@LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.
I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…
I don't think I have to tell you how messy abortion scenarios can get—but if so, feel free to do some googling.
Do you honestly think a woman facing one of those scenarios today should give more of a shit about caselaw than the consequences of having or not having an abortion?
Great! Then support pro choice legislation! Support pro choice candidates! Win the hearts and minds of the people if that is your wish. Don’t support a poor legal judgement that can (by the very nature of case law) be used to justify additional poor decisions.
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It all comes down to 1 fundamental question. When is somebody recognized as being alive with all the essential human rights that come along with that?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe Overturned?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RIP Roe:
@LuFins-Dad said in RIP Roe:
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"
"MEN SHOULD NOT DECIDE WOMEN'S HEALTH!"What's a woman? Are they biologists now?
But now that men can get pregnant, my opinion matters as much as theirs.
There are an assload of people in this country who (1) think biology is physical, not a choice, (2) are critical of trans "rights" and (3) are adamant Roe supporters.
I disagree. Change #3 to adamant choice supporters and I agree. Many pro-choice attorneys and legal specialists find the decision problematic at best and some will even tell you it’s crap. But it upholds their issue so they support it. It’s kind of like the Donald J Trump of Supreme Court Decisions… A whole bunch of BS, but you liked the policies that came from it…
I don't think I have to tell you how messy abortion scenarios can get—but if so, feel free to do some googling.
Do you honestly think a woman facing one of those scenarios today should give more of a shit about caselaw than the consequences of having or not having an abortion?
Great! Then support pro choice legislation! Support pro choice candidates! Win the hearts and minds of the people if that is your wish. Don’t support a poor legal judgement that can (by the very nature of case law) be used to justify additional poor decisions.
In other words, you're doubling down on your Trust the Process hand-waving while denying the gravity of all practical consequences.
