State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 11:59 last edited by
What do you think, Jon?
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 12:00 last edited by
I fear you'll be right by his side, even if he shoots the constitution on 5th Avenue.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 12:07 last edited by
Same stuff was said about Obama.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 12:09 last edited by
@Mik said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
Same stuff was said about Obama.
ODS?
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 12:54 last edited by
Oh sure. And to think people believe this nonsense.
It’s amazing what people and willing to believe, the very same people who lecture on bias.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:03 last edited by
There are folks who are willing to believe anything and everything bad that might be said about both Obama and Trump., despite any evidence at all or even to the contrary.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:04 last edited by Copper 6 May 2020, 13:04
@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
loss illegitimate
The democrats are just asking for it.
They come down on the illegitimate side of every "voting rights" issue. They consistently favor enabling fraud. There is no need for Mr. Trump to prepare his base, that is done for him.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:11 last edited by
QED.
-
It’s a topic that concerns me. He is preparing his base to see any loss as illegitimate. He didn’t even accept his loss in the popular vote, almost laughably declaring n+1 fraudulent votes after losing by n.
So I think it’s a legitimate concern.
Talk me out of it.
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:34 last edited by@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
It’s a topic that concerns me. He is preparing his base to see any loss as illegitimate. He didn’t even accept his loss in the popular vote, almost laughably declaring n+1 fraudulent votes after losing by n.
So I think it’s a legitimate concern.
Talk me out of it.
What form do you suppose an argument might take that could plausibly talk you out of this?
-
It’s a topic that concerns me. He is preparing his base to see any loss as illegitimate. He didn’t even accept his loss in the popular vote, almost laughably declaring n+1 fraudulent votes after losing by n.
So I think it’s a legitimate concern.
Talk me out of it.
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
So I think it’s a legitimate concern
+1.
It's sad that this isn't a completely absurd idea anymore.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:38 last edited by
If after the election we had rioting at 1% of the scale of our recent riots, (and equally ineffectual at getting anything accomplished - Trump would still leave office) you'd all declare vindication of your concerns. Meanwhile, no politics is to blame for our recent riots, only a racist cop in MN.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:39 last edited by
Liberalism was a mental disease. Liberalism is dead. It has been replaced by some sort of fascist idiocy that could only happen after the brain rot of modern liberalism had metastasized.
What I find hilarious about this particular bit of insanity is the utter delusion of the morons "over there".. actually believing they have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Trump. Hell, they're not even a national party any more.
I have watched that bunch of fools shift in their values so much over the years... no principles, just party loyalty, like the sheep they are. I can remember a time when if you even used the word Socialism in jest they'd get mad as hell, and swear on their mommy's grave they were not and never would embrace Socialism. Today they all embrace Socialism.
A bigger bunch of idiots I've never seen.
-
If after the election we had rioting at 1% of the scale of our recent riots, (and equally ineffectual at getting anything accomplished - Trump would still leave office) you'd all declare vindication of your concerns. Meanwhile, no politics is to blame for our recent riots, only a racist cop in MN.
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:40 last edited by@Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
If after the election we had rioting at 1% of the scale of our recent riots, (and equally ineffectual at getting anything accomplished - Trump would still leave office) you'd all declare vindication of your concerns. Meanwhile, no politics is to blame for our recent riots, only a racist cop in MN.
Who are you even talking to? First sentence sounded like me, but I can't believe you'd attribute the latter point of view to me.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:41 last edited by
Ok, Larry. Tell me that under no circumstances will you back Trump if he declares an apparent loss illegitimate.
-
@Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
If after the election we had rioting at 1% of the scale of our recent riots, (and equally ineffectual at getting anything accomplished - Trump would still leave office) you'd all declare vindication of your concerns. Meanwhile, no politics is to blame for our recent riots, only a racist cop in MN.
Who are you even talking to? First sentence sounded like me, but I can't believe you'd attribute the latter point of view to me.
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:41 last edited by@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
@Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
If after the election we had rioting at 1% of the scale of our recent riots, (and equally ineffectual at getting anything accomplished - Trump would still leave office) you'd all declare vindication of your concerns. Meanwhile, no politics is to blame for our recent riots, only a racist cop in MN.
Who are you even talking to? First sentence sounded like me, but I can't believe you'd attribute the latter point of view to me.
While I haven't seen you blame any leftward politics for the rioting, I do not suspect you see the situation as basically justified, as many others with concerns about Trump leaving office do.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:42 last edited by
Hence my question.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:42 last edited by
America had better hope the democrats never get back in power ever again. The Democrat party is a terrorist organization at this point, and WTF is a good example of the kind of spineless, ignorant dumbasses that populate it.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:44 last edited by
Loki, still think the concern is unjustified?
-
Ok, Larry. Tell me that under no circumstances will you back Trump if he declares an apparent loss illegitimate.
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:44 last edited by@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
Ok, Larry. Tell me that under no circumstances will you back Trump if he declares an apparent loss illegitimate.
I won't even dignify that question by answering it. You're asking me to join you in your delusion.
-
wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 13:45 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:
Hence my question.
I was talking to the cloud of people concerned that Trump might use violence to try to stay in office. While it surprises me to hear you express this as a "legitimate concern", I do not think you see the rioting as justified because racism. I do think most (not all) people who have your concerns about Trump, do see the riots as basically justified, or at least a good pill for our racist society to swallow, so it can finally learn.
Anyway, I would be curious about your answer to my first question about what form an argument might take that could plausibly convince you that your concern is not legitimate.
And I think my comparison to our current riots is a pretty good one, vis a vis people's reactions.