Taking On The Mouse
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@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 00:46 last edited by@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
Yes, it’s political, but are we going to argue that it’s unfair to force a company to work on the same playing field as everybody else? From what I can figure, the practical effect of this really comes down to permitting and bureaucracy. While DisneyWorld was “Self-governing” they still had to stay within the laws of land… Chepek couldn’t start murdering Hobos… The rides and the buildings still had to pass safety standards and the like. But… When Disney decides to take down a ride and put another up, then they didn’t have to go through the months of proceedings to get the permission to take down the ride then the months of proceedings to get the necessary permits to put up the new ride… This is an unfair competitive advantage over the other Orlando Resorts and parks.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 01:00 last edited by
I was at Disneyworld the first year it opened. Lot of orange groves and rural land out in that part of the world before the Mouse moved in. The state of Florida cut those deals with Disney for economic development, and it worked. Disney became Florida's largest employer. And since that area has become a destination, other jobs have followed.
But nobody else operates under the favorable governing deal that Disney
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@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 01:09 last edited by Doctor Phibes@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 01:55 last edited by
I think the Reedy Creek deal has been public knowledge since the beginning.
I think Disney probably more than earned any tax breaks they got.
I have been visiting Disney World regularly for over 40 years. I don't think anyone would disagree that Disney has greatly raised the value of everything within 50 miles of Orlando. The airlines, hotels, schools and every other business in Central Florida has grown because of Disney.
But now Orlando is so big that Disney is no longer the only engine of growth. It's probably time to reassess.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…
Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 10:01 last edited by jon-nycYes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
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@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 11:54 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
At that point in history, the Red Menace was not as menacing as portrayed, but it was real. They called it the Cold War for a reason...
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Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 11:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 12:52 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Do you not understand politics …
The way DeSantis and the Florida GOP do politics sucks and is bad for Florida and bad for the USA.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 12:54 last edited by
Yep, Florida has been in such a downward spiral...
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 13:34 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 13:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, and attempted to social engineer the state of Florida, I don't think it is an abuse of power. I think it's what politicians of all stripes do when something or someone gives them the middle finger.
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I don't cheer it on, as much as I recognize what happens when you bare-foot kick a porcupine.
Pols are pols. They may have different political views, but in some instances, they ALL act alike.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 13:58 last edited by
Disney exercising their first amendment rights isn’t casting the first stone.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 14:09 last edited by
Apparently, Florida didn't think so.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 14:20 last edited by
Which is precisely the problem.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 14:29 last edited by
I don’t necessarily see this as an abuse. If they were to decide to begin a 3 year road improvement project at the highways directly at Disney’s exits, slowing traffic to 1 lane… That would be an abuse. Cutting Disney’s liquor licenses would be an abuse… This is a matter of saying “You’re welcome to your opinions, but we are not going to actively reward you while you work to undermine the will of the people of Florida. That’s entirely different.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 15:21 last edited by
So, a conservative big business was given political favors by the conservative political establishment long ago, and now tribal leftists are positing some moral obligation for the government to perpetuate those favors forever?
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, and attempted to social engineer the state of Florida, I don't think it is an abuse of power. I think it's what politicians of all stripes do when something or someone gives them the middle finger.
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I don't cheer it on, as much as I recognize what happens when you bare-foot kick a porcupine.
Pols are pols. They may have different political views, but in some instances, they ALL act alike.
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 15:21 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
- Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, …
If the bill makes a big enough subset of Disney’s employees and customers upset, makes it tougher for Disney to recruit new employees or gain new customers, then it is related to Disney’s business.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 15:24 last edited by Axtremus
Also, why would you cheer that the state is prohibiting schools from teaching X, Y, or Z? You do not believe in “local control” anymore, that you now welcome the state to take away the local school’s freedom to locally decide what to teach?
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
- Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, …
If the bill makes a big enough subset of Disney’s employees and customers upset, makes it tougher for Disney to recruit new employees or gain new customers, then it is related to Disney’s business.
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 15:29 last edited by@Axtremus said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
- Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, …
If the bill makes a big enough subset of Disney’s employees and customers upset, makes it tougher for Disney to recruit new employees or gain new customers, then it is related to Disney’s business.
Disney has been representative of buttoned down mainstream pop culture all along. The only difference now is that Disney is being led, rather than leading.
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Also, why would you cheer that the state is prohibiting schools from teaching X, Y, or Z? You do not believe in “local control” anymore, that you now welcome the state to take away the local school’s freedom to locally decide what to teach?
wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 15:34 last edited by@Axtremus said in Taking On The Mouse:
Also, why should you cheer that the state is prohibiting schools from teaching X, Y, or Z? You do not believe in “local control” anymore, that you now welcome the state to take away the local school’s freedom to locally decide what to teach?
Look, where you stick your dick is no business of mine. Do with it what you wish. But there is something inherently evil about grooming and preying on children, before they decide what their sexual orientation will be.
Since the state should enact laws to protect the most vulnerable among us, and in this case the state is actively financing public schools, they do have a say in the rules and curriculum of public schools in the state of Florida.
Alternatively, if you feel that sexual function, orientation recruitment and transgender experimentation should be a part of a school curriculum for K-3 students, I invite you to establish an alternative to the Florida public school system and invite all comers who wish to participate in your alternative educational establishment.
Live long and prosper.