Taking On The Mouse
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…
Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.
The Brad
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…
Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.
@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
Grab the bull by the tail and you get the horns.
This is not a tax bill that concerns Disney or a workplace bill that affects their employees. Disney has decided to not only influence the educational process of the state of Florida, but has also vowed to work against a statute duly enacted by the legislators of Florida and then signed into law by the governor of the state.
By screwing up their tax status, Disney may have done irreparable harm to the most important people in this issue, the Disney shareholders.
Maybe Disney needs a new CEO, who will concern himself more with the important people and tune out some of the Woke chatter...
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@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
Yes, it’s political, but are we going to argue that it’s unfair to force a company to work on the same playing field as everybody else? From what I can figure, the practical effect of this really comes down to permitting and bureaucracy. While DisneyWorld was “Self-governing” they still had to stay within the laws of land… Chepek couldn’t start murdering Hobos… The rides and the buildings still had to pass safety standards and the like. But… When Disney decides to take down a ride and put another up, then they didn’t have to go through the months of proceedings to get the permission to take down the ride then the months of proceedings to get the necessary permits to put up the new ride… This is an unfair competitive advantage over the other Orlando Resorts and parks.
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I was at Disneyworld the first year it opened. Lot of orange groves and rural land out in that part of the world before the Mouse moved in. The state of Florida cut those deals with Disney for economic development, and it worked. Disney became Florida's largest employer. And since that area has become a destination, other jobs have followed.
But nobody else operates under the favorable governing deal that Disney
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@LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:
They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.
I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?
Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?
Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?
@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
I was only joking
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I think the Reedy Creek deal has been public knowledge since the beginning.
I think Disney probably more than earned any tax breaks they got.
I have been visiting Disney World regularly for over 40 years. I don't think anyone would disagree that Disney has greatly raised the value of everything within 50 miles of Orlando. The airlines, hotels, schools and every other business in Central Florida has grown because of Disney.
But now Orlando is so big that Disney is no longer the only engine of growth. It's probably time to reassess.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.
That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.
The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.
I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…
Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@George-K said in Taking On The Mouse:
Why did Disney get them in the first place?
Maybe it was a reward for conspiring with the FBI to blacklist a bunch of his own employees.
Those were the good old days when big corporations behaved in a morally upstanding manner we can all get behind, and the FBI were genuinely people we could trust!
At that point in history, the Red Menace was not as menacing as portrayed, but it was real. They called it the Cold War for a reason...
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Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, and attempted to social engineer the state of Florida, I don't think it is an abuse of power. I think it's what politicians of all stripes do when something or someone gives them the middle finger.
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I don't cheer it on, as much as I recognize what happens when you bare-foot kick a porcupine.
Pols are pols. They may have different political views, but in some instances, they ALL act alike.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I don’t necessarily see this as an abuse. If they were to decide to begin a 3 year road improvement project at the highways directly at Disney’s exits, slowing traffic to 1 lane… That would be an abuse. Cutting Disney’s liquor licenses would be an abuse… This is a matter of saying “You’re welcome to your opinions, but we are not going to actively reward you while you work to undermine the will of the people of Florida. That’s entirely different.
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So, a conservative big business was given political favors by the conservative political establishment long ago, and now tribal leftists are positing some moral obligation for the government to perpetuate those favors forever?
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Yes it’s taking away a privilege but it’s being done as a punishment obviously. As a parent you are surely familiar with taking away a privilege as punishment.
None of the principled reasons to remove the privilege occurred to these guys before the Ed bill. In fact these very same clowns just wrote a new and rather substantial Disney privilege into law a just a few months ago. (Tech reg bill applies to all social media companies ‘unless owned by a company that operates a large amusement park in the state’).
Do you not understand politics or are you being intentionally obtuse because corporate America got gored for coloring outside of the lines?
Odd question, are you really asking me if I understand that politicians misuse and abuse their power? Of course I do.
But I don’t fucking cheer it on.
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Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, and attempted to social engineer the state of Florida, I don't think it is an abuse of power. I think it's what politicians of all stripes do when something or someone gives them the middle finger.
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I don't cheer it on, as much as I recognize what happens when you bare-foot kick a porcupine.
Pols are pols. They may have different political views, but in some instances, they ALL act alike.
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
- Because Disney initiated this, by doing something totally unrelated to their business, …
If the bill makes a big enough subset of Disney’s employees and customers upset, makes it tougher for Disney to recruit new employees or gain new customers, then it is related to Disney’s business.
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