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What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    Great one on one interview with Boris Johnson on The Dispatch podcast.

    Jamie Weinstein is joined by former U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson to discuss his relationship with Donald Trump, the U.K. "grooming gangs," and his new book, Unleashed.
    The Agenda:
    —Jeremy Vine: My Boris Johnson Story
    —Comparing Reagan and Trump
    —Johnson’s relationship with Trump
    —Elon Musk and the U.K.
    —The U.K. grooming gangs
    —“Superpower of soft power”
    —Johnson’s alleged deal with Ukraine and Russia
    —Putin and Zelensky
    —Johnson on Queen Elizabeth II
    —Leaders Johnson admires

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Two good ones over the past couple of days.

      Bari Weiss's (Honestly) with Amy Chua. I've read both her Tiger Mom book which I thought was excellent along with her follow-up Triple Package which detailed why some cultures are more successful than others. Chua is on the law school faculty at Yale - and guess who was one of her students - a certain Vice-President...

      Ross Douthat does a decent interview with Steve Bannon. It's a good discussion - interesting to hear his views on GWB, Trump and Musk.

      Link to video

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        #234

        Interesting. Also NYT hosting Bannon and (a few weeks ago) Curtis Yarvin on their podcast would have been unthinkable even a year ago.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Interesting. Also NYT hosting Bannon and (a few weeks ago) Curtis Yarvin on their podcast would have been unthinkable even a year ago.

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          @jon-nyc said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

          Interesting. Also NYT hosting Bannon and (a few weeks ago) Curtis Yarvin on their podcast would have been unthinkable even a year ago.

          Bannon wasn't the crazy guy sometimes portrayed. It's good to see DEI being appropriately applied.

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            Horace
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            Thanks for the recommendation. I listened. I agree Bannon is not crazy. He seems coherent and principled. One does not have to agree with his principles. He's too hard line nationalist for my taste. I have no issue with H1Bs. Bannon did deny any connection with culture regarding quality of tech workers. He blamed the H1Bs simply on the fact that those workers are cheaper. I'm not entirely sure that's the case. Maybe at some companies, but I doubt at the big tech ones. I think they pay their H1B engineers the same as the native ones.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Thanks for the recommendation. I listened. I agree Bannon is not crazy. He seems coherent and principled. One does not have to agree with his principles. He's too hard line nationalist for my taste. I have no issue with H1Bs. Bannon did deny any connection with culture regarding quality of tech workers. He blamed the H1Bs simply on the fact that those workers are cheaper. I'm not entirely sure that's the case. Maybe at some companies, but I doubt at the big tech ones. I think they pay their H1B engineers the same as the native ones.

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              Jolly
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              @Horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

              I agree Bannon is not crazy. He seems coherent and principled.

              They still put him in jail.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Ted Kaczinsky was principled too.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  The most recent Sam Harris podcast has Niall Ferguson schooling Sam on some of the positives of the Trump Presidency as well as a realistic assessment of where the US stands in the world - i.e. lacking in fiscal strength and unable to address the myriad challenges it faces. Really well done.

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                    Schooled? He had replies, I'll grant you that. But honestly maybe 75% of Ferguson's replies were simple whattaboutisms. Occasionally there would be a broader point to the whattaboutism, (e.g., we've left allies in the lurch before) but most were pretty weak in terms of any broader point being made.

                    And many of his defenses seemed really inconsistent. Example - when Sam asked his opinion about Trump's plan for ethnically cleansing Gaza, Ferguson mentions that if you read Art of the Deal (which I actually did back in the 80s), Trump likes to stake out a maximalist, even crazy position at the start of a negotiation, so when he finally proposes a more sane option that's still a big win, it gets accepted. Ok fair enough. But Sam asks 'then why give away all the important concessions Putin wants before we even sit at the table? Ferguson changes the subject.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      I will again point out for the god knows how many'eth time that there is nothing wrong with "whataboutism" arguments, and in fact they are exactly what are called for to combat arguments that make claims about "this political side is especially bad/scary because X". An equal and opposite whataboutism about X logically nullifies such arguments. Of course in any given specific, the whataboutism might be weak, but they have to be judged individually rather than as a class. There is nothing wrong with the class.

                      And it goes without saying that they are employed relentlessly by both sides of any argument here, often by the same people who will dismiss them as a class of argument when others use them.

                      You will not find "whataboutism", by that name or any other, in any list of formal logical fallacies.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Fair enough but they are the argument of a partisan, not an historian. He should be fully capable of discussing current events in their own terms.

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                          He’s usually quite a bit better than he was on this podcast. My guess is he got a little spooked when JD Vance sniped at him for complaining about Trump’s appeasement, and he wants to make sure he stays in good graces with Musk and the administration’s defenders. Knowing full well about Musk and Sam’s falling out probably factored in also. Basically he knows where his bread is buttered.

                          As a contrast, listen to him on Bari Weiss’s year end podcast where he was asked to make predictions for the new year. That was his old self.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            I'm not clear when that podcast was released, but he had no issue pushing back against Vance (who I agreed with in the exchange) at the time.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              #245

                              Pushed back but also was very much making the point ‘hey I’m one of you not a ‘globalist’

                              This podcast came out after the Vance incident as he mentions the exchange with Sam.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Pushed back but also was very much making the point ‘hey I’m one of you not a ‘globalist’

                                This podcast came out after the Vance incident as he mentions the exchange with Sam.

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                                @jon-nyc I am sure he would have said he's one of you and not a globalist all along. Both he and his wife are persona non grata in leftist circles, and have been for years.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Not really but I’m tempted just for the lols.

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                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Highly recommend Lex’s podcast with Modi. My politics typically don’t align with Modi, but you can’t deny the depth of thoughtfulness and optimism (not for all).

                                    Such a contrast to our politics of scarcity and economic fear.

                                    Link to video

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                                      Has he watched Slumdog Millionaire? I feel like it might change his perspective on India.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Spend 90 minutes with American geopolitical operative, and Trump's close friend, Steve Witkoff. Witness the rabid lunatic fringe that is Trump's inner circle, forging the history we are all living through.

                                        Link to video

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          Spend 90 minutes with American geopolitical operative, and Trump's close friend, Steve Witkoff. Witness the rabid lunatic fringe that is Trump's inner circle, forging the history we are all living through.

                                          Link to video

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                                          @Horace

                                          Spend 90 minutes with American geopolitical operative, and Trump's close friend, Steve Witkoff. Witness the rabid lunatic fringe that is Trump's inner circle, forging the history we are all living through.

                                          That FuCa Witkoff link should be in Jon’s National Humiliation thread. Pass the barf bag.

                                          A brief summary of the interview display:

                                          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

                                          Elbows up!

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