What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?

[Horace]

I will again point out for the god knows how many'eth time that there is nothing wrong with "whataboutism" arguments, and in fact they are exactly what are called for to combat arguments that make claims about "this political side is especially bad/scary because X". An equal and opposite whataboutism about X logically nullifies such arguments. Of course in any given specific, the whataboutism might be weak, but they have to be judged individually rather than as a class. There is nothing wrong with the class.

And it goes without saying that they are employed relentlessly by both sides of any argument here, often by the same people who will dismiss them as a class of argument when others use them.

You will not find "whataboutism", by that name or any other, in any list of formal logical fallacies.

[jon-nyc]

Fair enough but they are the argument of a partisan, not an historian. He should be fully capable of discussing current events in their own terms.

[jon-nyc]

He’s usually quite a bit better than he was on this podcast. My guess is he got a little spooked when JD Vance sniped at him for complaining about Trump’s appeasement, and he wants to make sure he stays in good graces with Musk and the administration’s defenders. Knowing full well about Musk and Sam’s falling out probably factored in also. Basically he knows where his bread is buttered.

As a contrast, listen to him on Bari Weiss’s year end podcast where he was asked to make predictions for the new year. That was his old self.

[Horace]

I'm not clear when that podcast was released, but he had no issue pushing back against Vance (who I agreed with in the exchange) at the time.

[jon-nyc]

Pushed back but also was very much making the point ‘hey I’m one of you not a ‘globalist’

This podcast came out after the Vance incident as he mentions the exchange with Sam.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc I am sure he would have said he's one of you and not a globalist all along. Both he and his wife are persona non grata in leftist circles, and have been for years.

[jon-nyc]

Not really but I’m tempted just for the lols.

[xenon]

Highly recommend Lex’s podcast with Modi. My politics typically don’t align with Modi, but you can’t deny the depth of thoughtfulness and optimism (not for all).

Such a contrast to our politics of scarcity and economic fear.

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[Horace]

Has he watched Slumdog Millionaire? I feel like it might change his perspective on India.

[Horace]

Spend 90 minutes with American geopolitical operative, and Trump's close friend, Steve Witkoff. Witness the rabid lunatic fringe that is Trump's inner circle, forging the history we are all living through.

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[Renauda]

@Horace

Spend 90 minutes with American geopolitical operative, and Trump's close friend, Steve Witkoff. Witness the rabid lunatic fringe that is Trump's inner circle, forging the history we are all living through.

That FuCa Witkoff link should be in Jon’s National Humiliation thread. Pass the barf bag.

A brief summary of the interview display:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

[Horace]

I thought it was a good interview with a decent person, though I only listened to the first 30 minutes.

[Horace]

Good conversation on Bari Weiss's Honestly today, with Jay Bhattacharya, new head of the NIH. The previous one, under Biden, called him fringe and dangerous, but it's difficult to believe that to be the actual case. He just disagreed with the mainstream at the peak of the panicked reaction to COVID, and paid the reputational price. He seems like the best-case scenario for a scientist you'd hope would be part of RFK Jr's administration.

[jon-nyc]

There are independent thinkers, and there are contrarians. The latter consider themselves the former but it’s really just another style of groupthink.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

There are independent thinkers, and there are contrarians. The latter consider themselves the former but it’s really just another style of groupthink.

I'm sure you'd allow that Bari is in the former camp, and I'm sure you won't listen to this interview to hear how strongly she disagrees with your characterization of Jay. And I'm sure you don't actually know anything about Jay, including that the former NIH head who called him fringe and dangerous, eventually apologized.

[jon-nyc]

Bari Weiss interviewed Niall Ferguson about the tariff mess. I was expecting a lot of sane-washing like with the Harris interview but it was much more of a nuanced and big-picture discussion. Highly recommended.

[Horace]

The Niall Ferguson interview was good.

Rogan had on Douglas Murray and a guy named Dave Smith, a popular libertarian podcaster in the rogan-sphere, who takes the other side of lots of issues Murray is passionate about. Murray's intent coming on the podcast was to stick up for the more mainstream positions that he thinks are underrepresented on Rogan.

[jon-nyc]

Murray was on Andrew Sullivan’s pod this week. They went at it a bit as Sullivan’s more balanced with respect to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I got his book which came out this week. Saving to listen to it on a flight Sunday.

[Horace]

Here's a novelty. Tim Tebow talks to Jordan Peterson.

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[jon-nyc]

Sam talked to Douglas Murray in his latest. Worth a listen. I just started listening to Murray’s new book.