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    Axtremus
    wrote on 25 Apr 2023, 00:14 last edited by
    #742

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-celebs-journalists-furious-musk-gave-them-blue-check-back-without-my-consent

    Fox News: Liberal celebs, journalists furious that Musk gave them their blue check back: 'Without my consent'

    The Twitter Blue Check as a status symbol, now the status of a pariah.

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 5 May 2023, 09:59 last edited by
      #743

      Twitter changes description on Blue Check Mark

      https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-changes-twitter-blue-143900665.html

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        George K
        wrote on 31 May 2023, 01:08 last edited by
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        Twitter Is Now Worth Just 33% of Elon Musk’s Purchase Price


        Twitter is now worth just one-third of what Elon Musk paid for the social-media platform, according to Fidelity, which recently marked down the value of its equity stake in the company.

        Musk has acknowledged he overpaid for Twitter, which he bought for $44 billion, including $33.5 billion in equity. More recently, he said Twitter is worth less than half what he paid for it. It’s unclear how Fidelity arrived at its new, lower valuation or whether it receives any non-public information from the company.

        Fidelity first reduced the value of its Twitter stake in November, to 44% of the purchase price. That was followed by further markdowns in December and February.

        Twitter has struggled financially since Musk took over. After saddling the company with $13 billion of debt, Musk’s erratic decision making and challenges with content moderation led advertising revenue to decline by 50%, Musk said in March. An attempt to recoup that revenue by selling Twitter Blue subscriptions has so far failed to take off. At the end of March, less than 1% of Twitter’s monthly users had signed up.

        Twitter didn’t specifically respond to a request for comment.

        Musk’s investment in Twitter is now worth $8.8 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, which uses Fidelity’s valuation to calculate the value of his holding. Musk spent more than $25 billion to acquire an estimated 79% stake in the company last year.

        The latest markdown erases about $850 million from Musk’s $187 billion fortune, according to the index. Despite Twitter’s issues, Musk’s wealth is up more than $48 billion this year, largely due to a 63% surge in Tesla Inc.’s share price.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 01:36 last edited by
          #745

          https://reuters.com/technology/twitters-head-trust-safety-says-she-has-resigned-2023-06-02/

          June 1 (Reuters) - Twitter's head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin, told Reuters on Thursday that she has resigned from the social media company.

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 13:31 last edited by Axtremus 6 Nov 2023, 13:31
            #746

            Deadbeat Twitter?

            https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-is-refusing-pay-its-google-cloud-bills-platformer-2023-06-10/

            Report: Twitter is refusing to pay its Google Cloud bills.

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              Horace
              wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 17:41 last edited by
              #747

              Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

              It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 9 Jul 2023, 23:33 last edited by
                #748

                Deadbeat Twitter?

                https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/twitter-refuses-to-pay-for-arbitration-it-forced-on-891-ex-employees-suit-says/

                Twitter refuses to pay for arbitration it forced on 891 ex-employees, suit says

                Twitter forced its ex-employees into arbitration, yet itself refused to pay the fees for arbitration.

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                • H Horace
                  11 Jun 2023, 17:41

                  Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                  It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 00:03 last edited by
                  #749

                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • A Aqua Letifer
                    10 Jul 2023, 00:03

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 00:54 last edited by
                    #750

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                    Education is extremely important.

                    A 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 01:45
                    • H Horace
                      10 Jul 2023, 00:54

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                      I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                      He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                      He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 01:45 last edited by
                      #751

                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                      I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                      He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                      He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                      🙄

                      He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                      Please love yourself.

                      H 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 02:08
                      • A Aqua Letifer
                        10 Jul 2023, 01:45

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                        He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                        He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                        🙄

                        He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 02:08 last edited by
                        #752

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                        He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                        He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                        🙄

                        He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                        You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 02:23 last edited by
                          #753

                          Yeah, once you have enough money or ability to make a difference in something that matters to you it becomes much more important.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • H Horace
                            10 Jul 2023, 02:08

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                            He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                            He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                            🙄

                            He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                            You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:00 last edited by
                            #754

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                            He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                            He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                            🙄

                            He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                            You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                            If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                            Please love yourself.

                            H 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 03:29
                            • A Aqua Letifer
                              10 Jul 2023, 03:00

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                              He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                              He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                              🙄

                              He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                              You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                              If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:29 last edited by Horace 7 Oct 2023, 03:30
                              #755

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                              He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                              He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                              🙄

                              He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                              You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                              If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                              Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist. I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                              Education is extremely important.

                              A 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 03:36
                              • H Horace
                                10 Jul 2023, 03:29

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                🙄

                                He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist. I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:36 last edited by
                                #756

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                🙄

                                He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                Please love yourself.

                                H 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 03:51
                                • A Aqua Letifer
                                  10 Jul 2023, 03:36

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                  He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                  🙄

                                  He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                  You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                  If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                  Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                  I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                  I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                  I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                  And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:51 last edited by
                                  #757

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                  He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                  🙄

                                  He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                  You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                  If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                  Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                  I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                  I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                  I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                  And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                  I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint. I’m aware you can poke holes in the straw man that Twitter or Musk are free speech absolutists. I remain convinced that most people value free speech in principle, though less so in our crazy tribal culture where it’s become associated with the evil conservatives. I remain convinced Musk is one of those people who values it. You can consider him to be whatever capitalist caricature you please.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    10 Jul 2023, 03:51

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                    🙄

                                    He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                    You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                    If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                    Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                    I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                    I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                    I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                    And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                    I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint. I’m aware you can poke holes in the straw man that Twitter or Musk are free speech absolutists. I remain convinced that most people value free speech in principle, though less so in our crazy tribal culture where it’s become associated with the evil conservatives. I remain convinced Musk is one of those people who values it. You can consider him to be whatever capitalist caricature you please.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:58 last edited by
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                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                    🙄

                                    He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                    You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                    If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                    Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                    I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                    I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                    I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                    And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                    I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint.

                                    Good night, Horace.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 21:43 last edited by
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                                      https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                      Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

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                                      • A Axtremus
                                        11 Jul 2023, 21:43

                                        https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                        Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 22:09 last edited by Horace 7 Nov 2023, 22:09
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                                        @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                        https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                        Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

                                        Wow. A gossip rag piece, and a conversation about the gossip rag piece with a -studies professor, all wrapped up in a non-sequitur about Twitter dying. Vox journalism at its finest.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 12 Jul 2023, 17:46 last edited by
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                                          "Elon Musk launched his long-teased artificial intelligence startup xAI on Wednesday, unveiling a team made up of engineers from the same big U.S. technology firms that he hopes to challenge in his bid to build an alternative to ChatGPT."

                                          https://x.ai

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