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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #744

    Twitter Is Now Worth Just 33% of Elon Musk’s Purchase Price


    Twitter is now worth just one-third of what Elon Musk paid for the social-media platform, according to Fidelity, which recently marked down the value of its equity stake in the company.

    Musk has acknowledged he overpaid for Twitter, which he bought for $44 billion, including $33.5 billion in equity. More recently, he said Twitter is worth less than half what he paid for it. It’s unclear how Fidelity arrived at its new, lower valuation or whether it receives any non-public information from the company.

    Fidelity first reduced the value of its Twitter stake in November, to 44% of the purchase price. That was followed by further markdowns in December and February.

    Twitter has struggled financially since Musk took over. After saddling the company with $13 billion of debt, Musk’s erratic decision making and challenges with content moderation led advertising revenue to decline by 50%, Musk said in March. An attempt to recoup that revenue by selling Twitter Blue subscriptions has so far failed to take off. At the end of March, less than 1% of Twitter’s monthly users had signed up.

    Twitter didn’t specifically respond to a request for comment.

    Musk’s investment in Twitter is now worth $8.8 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, which uses Fidelity’s valuation to calculate the value of his holding. Musk spent more than $25 billion to acquire an estimated 79% stake in the company last year.

    The latest markdown erases about $850 million from Musk’s $187 billion fortune, according to the index. Despite Twitter’s issues, Musk’s wealth is up more than $48 billion this year, largely due to a 63% surge in Tesla Inc.’s share price.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
      wrote on last edited by
      #745

      https://reuters.com/technology/twitters-head-trust-safety-says-she-has-resigned-2023-06-02/

      June 1 (Reuters) - Twitter's head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin, told Reuters on Thursday that she has resigned from the social media company.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
        AxtremusA Offline
        Axtremus
        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
        #746

        Deadbeat Twitter?

        https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-is-refusing-pay-its-google-cloud-bills-platformer-2023-06-10/

        Report: Twitter is refusing to pay its Google Cloud bills.

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        • HoraceH Offline
          HoraceH Offline
          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #747

          Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

          I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

          It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #748

            Deadbeat Twitter?

            https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/twitter-refuses-to-pay-for-arbitration-it-forced-on-891-ex-employees-suit-says/

            Twitter refuses to pay for arbitration it forced on 891 ex-employees, suit says

            Twitter forced its ex-employees into arbitration, yet itself refused to pay the fees for arbitration.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

              It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
              Aqua LetiferA Offline
              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on last edited by
              #749

              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

              He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

              Please love yourself.

              HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                HoraceH Offline
                HoraceH Offline
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #750

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                Education is extremely important.

                Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                  He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #751

                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                  He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                  🙄

                  He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                  Please love yourself.

                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                    🙄

                    He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                    HoraceH Offline
                    HoraceH Offline
                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #752

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                    🙄

                    He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                    You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                    Education is extremely important.

                    Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                    • MikM Offline
                      MikM Offline
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #753

                      Yeah, once you have enough money or ability to make a difference in something that matters to you it becomes much more important.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                        He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                        He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                        🙄

                        He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                        You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                        Aqua LetiferA Offline
                        Aqua LetiferA Offline
                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #754

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                        He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                        He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                        🙄

                        He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                        You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                        If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                        Please love yourself.

                        HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                          He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                          He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                          🙄

                          He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                          You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                          If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                          HoraceH Offline
                          HoraceH Offline
                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by Horace
                          #755

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                          He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                          He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                          🙄

                          He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                          You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                          If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                          Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist. I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                          Education is extremely important.

                          Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                            He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                            He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                            🙄

                            He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                            You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                            If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                            Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist. I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #756

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                            He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                            He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                            🙄

                            He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                            You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                            If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                            Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                            I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                            I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                            I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                            And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                            Please love yourself.

                            HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                              He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                              He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                              🙄

                              He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                              You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                              If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                              Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                              I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                              I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                              I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                              And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                              HoraceH Offline
                              HoraceH Offline
                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #757

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                              He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                              He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                              🙄

                              He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                              You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                              If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                              Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                              I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                              I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                              I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                              And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                              I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint. I’m aware you can poke holes in the straw man that Twitter or Musk are free speech absolutists. I remain convinced that most people value free speech in principle, though less so in our crazy tribal culture where it’s become associated with the evil conservatives. I remain convinced Musk is one of those people who values it. You can consider him to be whatever capitalist caricature you please.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                🙄

                                He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint. I’m aware you can poke holes in the straw man that Twitter or Musk are free speech absolutists. I remain convinced that most people value free speech in principle, though less so in our crazy tribal culture where it’s become associated with the evil conservatives. I remain convinced Musk is one of those people who values it. You can consider him to be whatever capitalist caricature you please.

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                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                🙄

                                He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                Until a couple years ago, free speech coexisted peacefully with business decisions. Now to you it’s unthinkable that they could coexist.

                                I think that would be apparent to anyone paying the least bit of attention to anything in the past 15 years.

                                I would suggest that as soon as musk considers himself uncancelable, as he probably does, he can go ahead and be a bog standard American and actually place some value on free speech, like literally everybody you ever met, until recently. Ok maybe not literally.

                                I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone I know places a high degree of value on the opinions they like not being censored, which isn't free speech at all.

                                And to call Twitter a "free speech platform" is ridiculous to the point of not worth explaining.

                                I get that you’re not inclined towards granting nuance to any opposing viewpoint.

                                Good night, Horace.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                  Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

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                                    https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                    Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

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                                    @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/11/23791376/keke-palmer-darius-jackson-tracee-ellis-ross-sarah-brady-jonah-hill

                                    Twitter is dying. Policing women’s bodies is keeping it alive.

                                    Wow. A gossip rag piece, and a conversation about the gossip rag piece with a -studies professor, all wrapped up in a non-sequitur about Twitter dying. Vox journalism at its finest.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      "Elon Musk launched his long-teased artificial intelligence startup xAI on Wednesday, unveiling a team made up of engineers from the same big U.S. technology firms that he hopes to challenge in his bid to build an alternative to ChatGPT."

                                      https://x.ai

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          "Elon Musk launched his long-teased artificial intelligence startup xAI on Wednesday, unveiling a team made up of engineers from the same big U.S. technology firms that he hopes to challenge in his bid to build an alternative to ChatGPT."

                                          https://x.ai

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                                          @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          https://x.ai

                                          Not very diverse.

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