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    Axtremus
    wrote on 12 Apr 2023, 13:56 last edited by
    #735

    Musk's BBC interview.

    Elon Musk tells BBC that owning Twitter has been quite painful
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65248196

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      George K
      wrote on 12 Apr 2023, 16:33 last edited by
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      BBC: "Hateful content is on the rise."

      Musk: "Give me one example."

      BBC: ........

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
        wrote on 12 Apr 2023, 17:22 last edited by
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        Isn't it interesting that in their story, the Beeb choses not to quote Musk when he says the reporter journalist mouthpiece can't back up his claim?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 12 Apr 2023, 17:26 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 Dec 2023, 17:28
          #738

          That was pretty embarrassing. Looking at Debra Faushay's Twitter, she actually wasn't being sarcastic πŸ˜‚

          I was only joking

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            Jolly
            wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 13:03 last edited by
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            If Musk can make Twitter profitable (he said when took over, they were about 90 days from going bust) what does that say about his business skills? Secondly, if he can show a good set of books, does he sell Twitter?

            β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 24 Apr 2023, 16:36 last edited by
              #740

              https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7beya/elon-musk-twitter-blue-verification

              … Rather than being a much sought-after status symbol and revenue driver, the new blue check is being seen more like a scarlet letter, and Musk spent the weekend personally giving them to famous people who were forced to loudly clarify that they don’t want them. β€¦

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              • J Jolly
                13 Apr 2023, 13:03

                If Musk can make Twitter profitable (he said when took over, they were about 90 days from going bust) what does that say about his business skills? Secondly, if he can show a good set of books, does he sell Twitter?

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 24 Apr 2023, 16:45 last edited by
                #741

                @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                If Musk can make Twitter profitable (he said when took over, they were about 90 days from going bust) what does that say about his business skills?

                Being profitable is usually better than otherwise, just not always. An enterprise going from $1 Billion revenue with $10 Million loss to $10 revenue with 10Β’ profit has also turned profitable, though some people may not be all that impressed by the CEO who transformed the enterprise with that trajectory.

                That said, if I were a Twitter stockholder not long before Musk announced his takeover bid, I would likely be very happy because it might take a very long time (if ever) for Twitter’s valuation as a public company to rise to Musk’s offer.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 25 Apr 2023, 00:14 last edited by
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                  https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-celebs-journalists-furious-musk-gave-them-blue-check-back-without-my-consent

                  Fox News: Liberal celebs, journalists furious that Musk gave them their blue check back: 'Without my consent'

                  The Twitter Blue Check as a status symbol, now the status of a pariah.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 5 May 2023, 09:59 last edited by
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                    Twitter changes description on Blue Check Mark

                    https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-changes-twitter-blue-143900665.html

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                      George K
                      wrote on 31 May 2023, 01:08 last edited by
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                      Twitter Is Now Worth Just 33% of Elon Musk’s Purchase Price


                      Twitter is now worth just one-third of what Elon Musk paid for the social-media platform, according to Fidelity, which recently marked down the value of its equity stake in the company.

                      Musk has acknowledged he overpaid for Twitter, which he bought for $44 billion, including $33.5 billion in equity. More recently, he said Twitter is worth less than half what he paid for it. It’s unclear how Fidelity arrived at its new, lower valuation or whether it receives any non-public information from the company.

                      Fidelity first reduced the value of its Twitter stake in November, to 44% of the purchase price. That was followed by further markdowns in December and February.

                      Twitter has struggled financially since Musk took over. After saddling the company with $13 billion of debt, Musk’s erratic decision making and challenges with content moderation led advertising revenue to decline by 50%, Musk said in March. An attempt to recoup that revenue by selling Twitter Blue subscriptions has so far failed to take off. At the end of March, less than 1% of Twitter’s monthly users had signed up.

                      Twitter didn’t specifically respond to a request for comment.

                      Musk’s investment in Twitter is now worth $8.8 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, which uses Fidelity’s valuation to calculate the value of his holding. Musk spent more than $25 billion to acquire an estimated 79% stake in the company last year.

                      The latest markdown erases about $850 million from Musk’s $187 billion fortune, according to the index. Despite Twitter’s issues, Musk’s wealth is up more than $48 billion this year, largely due to a 63% surge in Tesla Inc.’s share price.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 01:36 last edited by
                        #745

                        https://reuters.com/technology/twitters-head-trust-safety-says-she-has-resigned-2023-06-02/

                        June 1 (Reuters) - Twitter's head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin, told Reuters on Thursday that she has resigned from the social media company.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 13:31 last edited by Axtremus 6 Nov 2023, 13:31
                          #746

                          Deadbeat Twitter?

                          https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-is-refusing-pay-its-google-cloud-bills-platformer-2023-06-10/

                          Report: Twitter is refusing to pay its Google Cloud bills.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 17:41 last edited by
                            #747

                            Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

                            I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                            It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on 9 Jul 2023, 23:33 last edited by
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                              Deadbeat Twitter?

                              https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/twitter-refuses-to-pay-for-arbitration-it-forced-on-891-ex-employees-suit-says/

                              Twitter refuses to pay for arbitration it forced on 891 ex-employees, suit says

                              Twitter forced its ex-employees into arbitration, yet itself refused to pay the fees for arbitration.

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                              • HoraceH Horace
                                11 Jun 2023, 17:41

                                Musk asks banned youtubers to upload their videos to Twitter:

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/upload-here-elon-musk-urges-sharing-video-youtube-banned-for-hate-speech-because-twitter-believes-in-free-speech/ar-AA1cnHEf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92cd3c833e7d4953ae4996a1b85dbc45&ei=9

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                It requires no hard decisions or business sacrifices, to be more free-speech than the authoritarian, progressive-controlled moderation practices of Youtube. This is low hanging fruit, and I hope it takes a bite out of youtube. They have some pruning to do among their employees responsible for moderation practices.

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 00:03 last edited by
                                #749

                                @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                Please love yourself.

                                HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 00:54
                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer
                                  10 Jul 2023, 00:03

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 00:54 last edited by
                                  #750

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                  He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                  He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                  Education is extremely important.

                                  Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 01:45
                                  • HoraceH Horace
                                    10 Jul 2023, 00:54

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 01:45 last edited by
                                    #751

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                    He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                    He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                    πŸ™„

                                    He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                    Please love yourself.

                                    HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 02:08
                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer
                                      10 Jul 2023, 01:45

                                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                      He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                      He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                      πŸ™„

                                      He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 02:08 last edited by
                                      #752

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                      He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                      He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                      πŸ™„

                                      He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                      You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                      Education is extremely important.

                                      Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 03:00
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 02:23 last edited by
                                        #753

                                        Yeah, once you have enough money or ability to make a difference in something that matters to you it becomes much more important.

                                        β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • HoraceH Horace
                                          10 Jul 2023, 02:08

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                          He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                          He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                          πŸ™„

                                          He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                          You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

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                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 03:00 last edited by
                                          #754

                                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                          I guess he's not actually all talk when it comes to free speech.

                                          He's suppressing conversations on Twitter about Threads if those conversations portray the new platform in a positive light. Wasn't showing up on trending topics, either, when it's the fastest growing platform basically ever.

                                          He's allowed to protect his business interests. Zuckerberg thinks his more policed version of Twitter is in his best business interest. We'll see which one wins. But Musk isn't obligated to platform advertisements or word of mouth for the competition.

                                          πŸ™„

                                          He's totally allowed to do that. And Tweet "Zuck is a cuck" to his heart's content. But neither of them give a damn about free speech. They're not in the free speech business.

                                          You can be completely cynical about it if you want. Business will be prioritized over principle time and again I'm sure, but humans are allowed some principle to color their actions, even in business. I suspect Musk saw a business opportunity in allowing more free speech on Twitter, and I suspect he considered that a win/win, rather than a win/doesn't matter.

                                          If you're placing your business interests above free speech, then you aren't for free speech, you're for your business interests, which may include selling the idea of free speech to the public.

                                          Please love yourself.

                                          HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply 10 Jul 2023, 03:29
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