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    Shooting in downtown Sacramento, 6 deaths 10 injuries:

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article260065985.html

    Shooting in Dallas, 1 death multiple injuries including minors:

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/one-killed-multiple-others-injured-in-shooting-at-dallas-concert-venue/2930878/

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    • CopperC Offline
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      It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

      Take away the gun and the crazy murderer could still shoot his other gun.

      Give the gun a break, it was just following orders.

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      • CopperC Copper

        It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

        Take away the gun and the crazy murderer could still shoot his other gun.

        Give the gun a break, it was just following orders.

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        @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

        It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

        Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

        Education is extremely important.

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          @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

          It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

          Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

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          @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

          @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

          It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

          Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

          Yes, yes, yes, men are bad

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          • CopperC Copper

            @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

            @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

            It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

            Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

            Yes, yes, yes, men are bad

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            @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

            @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

            @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

            It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

            Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

            Yes, yes, yes, men are bad

            I'm more talking about the romanticized culture of inner city black males, and all the murdering that goes on without attention or comment.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Sometimes, to paraphrase @Jolly, you should be polite before you're armed?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                It's more like crazy murderer deaths.

                Or crazy macho culture deaths. A culture cultivated and fiercely protected by the left.

                Yes, yes, yes, men are bad

                I'm more talking about the romanticized culture of inner city black males, and all the murdering that goes on without attention or comment.

                CopperC Offline
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                @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                the romanticized culture of inner city black males, and all the murdering that goes on without attention or comment.

                Somehow I never thought of that as, Quien es mas macho

                I guess it is, to some extant

                I think of that stereotype more as, life is cheap

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                • CopperC Copper

                  @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                  the romanticized culture of inner city black males, and all the murdering that goes on without attention or comment.

                  Somehow I never thought of that as, Quien es mas macho

                  I guess it is, to some extant

                  I think of that stereotype more as, life is cheap

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                  @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                  @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                  the romanticized culture of inner city black males, and all the murdering that goes on without attention or comment.

                  Somehow I never thought of that as, Quien es mas macho

                  I guess it is, to some extant

                  I think of that stereotype more as, life is cheap

                  Sure, it's an accepted and even encouraged macho culture which results in cheap lives. Which in turn gets conveniently messaged as those same lives mattering, and how dare anybody think otherwise. The left puts a media bubble around the culture, encourages it, allows it to grow, then uses the idea that nobody cares about the lives lost, in their virtue-tribe vote accumulation.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

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                      Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

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                      @89th said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                      Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

                      Why? Are you clubbing at 2AM often?

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @89th said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                        Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

                        Why? Are you clubbing at 2AM often?

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                        @89th said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                        Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

                        Why? Are you clubbing at 2AM often?

                        I usually stop at 130am. Seriously though, I see videos of the Miami spring break scene, or Sacramento, or other places with riff raff... no thank you.

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                          My point is that the Sacramento event (and the Dallas, likely) is not some random and strange thing. It’s entirely predictable to some extent. It’s not limited to places but is instead a part of certain cultures. Per Capita, Minnesota cities are just as likely as most other cities to experience this cultural violence.

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @89th said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                            Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

                            Why? Are you clubbing at 2AM often?

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                            @89th said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                            Sometimes I watch videos, such as the fight (and shootings in the background) in Sacramento and am very glad I moved to the Minnesota suburbs.

                            Why? Are you clubbing at 2AM often?

                            When I got married and moved to Canada, my brother's draft best-man's speech included the immortal line 'From night-clubbing to seal clubbing'. Thankfully, it was abandoned.

                            I was only joking

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                A few years ago, after having my alley-loading driveway partially blocked by the neighbor across the alley parking a big pickup in the lane where they're not supposed to park it, and leave it there all day, I left a polite note on the truck asking them to stop doing that. Several months later, I used the alley to park my car for five minutes to unload a christmas tree. About an hour later, I was outside grilling a steak when that pickup drove up and parked in an even more annoying spot, right in front of me as I was grilling. Out popped a 20 something girl and guy of a certain minority status. It was Thanksgiving and I wished them both happy Thanksgiving. The driver, the guy, grunted at me and the girl struck a pose, wordless, with her arms crossed and one leg splayed out slightly to the side. You'd know it if you saw it. No words whatsoever were spoken by them. The implication was clear, we're black, we're not going to take this nonsense from some white guy, and we know you're intimidated. My dog was out there with me and he wouldn't stop barking at them. I tried to calm him down as the girl continued her stare-down. She finally responded with a "happy thanksgiving" to my second attempt at verbal communication. Verbal communication wasn't really their point.

                                It is reasonable to believe that if you have nothing to lose, you are scary. I doubt this family was of the nothing to lose sort, but I could be wrong, or they could have been nothing to lose adjacent. But their assumption that they're going to go scare the white guy has stuck with me. Race relations in this country are dysfunctional, maybe especially in this leftist stronghold where high status whites proudly teach black people that their lives are fundamentally different and hope-challenged. But yes, if you have cultures where a huge percentage of the people you grow up with expect to go to prison at some point, and it's largely normalized and shame-free, those are dangerous people.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  A few years ago, after having my alley-loading driveway partially blocked by the neighbor across the alley parking a big pickup in the lane where they're not supposed to park it, and leave it there all day, I left a polite note on the truck asking them to stop doing that. Several months later, I used the alley to park my car for five minutes to unload a christmas tree. About an hour later, I was outside grilling a steak when that pickup drove up and parked in an even more annoying spot, right in front of me as I was grilling. Out popped a 20 something girl and guy of a certain minority status. It was Thanksgiving and I wished them both happy Thanksgiving. The driver, the guy, grunted at me and the girl struck a pose, wordless, with her arms crossed and one leg splayed out slightly to the side. You'd know it if you saw it. No words whatsoever were spoken by them. The implication was clear, we're black, we're not going to take this nonsense from some white guy, and we know you're intimidated. My dog was out there with me and he wouldn't stop barking at them. I tried to calm him down as the girl continued her stare-down. She finally responded with a "happy thanksgiving" to my second attempt at verbal communication. Verbal communication wasn't really their point.

                                  It is reasonable to believe that if you have nothing to lose, you are scary. I doubt this family was of the nothing to lose sort, but I could be wrong, or they could have been nothing to lose adjacent. But their assumption that they're going to go scare the white guy has stuck with me. Race relations in this country are dysfunctional, maybe especially in this leftist stronghold where high status whites proudly teach black people that their lives are fundamentally different and hope-challenged. But yes, if you have cultures where a huge percentage of the people you grow up with expect to go to prison at some point, and it's largely normalized and shame-free, those are dangerous people.

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                                  @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                  A few years ago, after having my alley-loading driveway partially blocked by the neighbor across the alley parking a big pickup in the lane where they're not supposed to park it, and leave it there all day, I left a polite note on the truck asking them to stop doing that. Several months later, I used the alley to park my car for five minutes to unload a christmas tree. About an hour later, I was outside grilling a steak when that pickup drove up and parked in an even more annoying spot, right in front of me as I was grilling. Out popped a 20 something girl and guy of a certain minority status. It was Thanksgiving and I wished them both happy Thanksgiving. The driver, the guy, grunted at me and the girl struck a pose, wordless, with her arms crossed and one leg splayed out slightly to the side. You'd know it if you saw it. No words whatsoever were spoken by them. The implication was clear, we're black, we're not going to take this nonsense from some white guy, and we know you're intimidated. My dog was out there with me and he wouldn't stop barking at them. I tried to calm him down as the girl continued her stare-down. She finally responded with a "happy thanksgiving" to my second attempt at verbal communication. Verbal communication wasn't really their point.

                                  It is reasonable to believe that if you have nothing to lose, you are scary. I doubt this family was of the nothing to lose sort, but I could be wrong, or they could have been nothing to lose adjacent. But their assumption that they're going to go scare the white guy has stuck with me. Race relations in this country are dysfunctional, maybe especially in this leftist stronghold where high status whites proudly teach black people that their lives are fundamentally different and hope-challenged. But yes, if you have cultures where a huge percentage of the people you grow up with expect to go to prison at some point, and it's largely normalized and shame-free, those are dangerous people.

                                  I noticed a difference in the racial environment/tension here as soon as I moved to the US. We were living in an apartment complex which was pretty racially diverse, and I was struck by a vibe, something I couldn't quite put my finger on, that I'd never noticed before either in the UK or Canada.

                                  Funnily enough, I don't notice it anymore, which implies I've probably just got used to it. Either that, or I just live in a much less diverse area, which is also true. This town isn't exactly a cultural melting pot.

                                  I asked about it a bit at the time, and people got really embarrassed and clearly didn't want to talk about it.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                    A few years ago, after having my alley-loading driveway partially blocked by the neighbor across the alley parking a big pickup in the lane where they're not supposed to park it, and leave it there all day, I left a polite note on the truck asking them to stop doing that. Several months later, I used the alley to park my car for five minutes to unload a christmas tree. About an hour later, I was outside grilling a steak when that pickup drove up and parked in an even more annoying spot, right in front of me as I was grilling. Out popped a 20 something girl and guy of a certain minority status. It was Thanksgiving and I wished them both happy Thanksgiving. The driver, the guy, grunted at me and the girl struck a pose, wordless, with her arms crossed and one leg splayed out slightly to the side. You'd know it if you saw it. No words whatsoever were spoken by them. The implication was clear, we're black, we're not going to take this nonsense from some white guy, and we know you're intimidated. My dog was out there with me and he wouldn't stop barking at them. I tried to calm him down as the girl continued her stare-down. She finally responded with a "happy thanksgiving" to my second attempt at verbal communication. Verbal communication wasn't really their point.

                                    It is reasonable to believe that if you have nothing to lose, you are scary. I doubt this family was of the nothing to lose sort, but I could be wrong, or they could have been nothing to lose adjacent. But their assumption that they're going to go scare the white guy has stuck with me. Race relations in this country are dysfunctional, maybe especially in this leftist stronghold where high status whites proudly teach black people that their lives are fundamentally different and hope-challenged. But yes, if you have cultures where a huge percentage of the people you grow up with expect to go to prison at some point, and it's largely normalized and shame-free, those are dangerous people.

                                    I noticed a difference in the racial environment/tension here as soon as I moved to the US. We were living in an apartment complex which was pretty racially diverse, and I was struck by a vibe, something I couldn't quite put my finger on, that I'd never noticed before either in the UK or Canada.

                                    Funnily enough, I don't notice it anymore, which implies I've probably just got used to it. Either that, or I just live in a much less diverse area, which is also true. This town isn't exactly a cultural melting pot.

                                    I asked about it a bit at the time, and people got really embarrassed and clearly didn't want to talk about it.

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                    I asked about it a bit at the time, and people got really embarrassed and clearly didn't want to talk about it.

                                    For all its liberalism, Boston was always a red-lined environment.

                                    And not just by skin color. Irish, Italian, Jewish, Catholic, non-Catholic, Black, yellow, democrat, republican they all had their turf. I don't know if it is still this way, it has been decades since I lived there.

                                    Northern Virginia neighborhoods seemed to have people from every possible ethnic group living together, no big deal. Of course the sexual predators in Loudoun County are a different story.

                                    Southern Virginia, where I am now, is black and white. There are a lot of both in the neighborhood. No big deal, at least not as far as I can tell.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                      I asked about it a bit at the time, and people got really embarrassed and clearly didn't want to talk about it.

                                      For all its liberalism, Boston was always a red-lined environment.

                                      And not just by skin color. Irish, Italian, Jewish, Catholic, non-Catholic, Black, yellow, democrat, republican they all had their turf. I don't know if it is still this way, it has been decades since I lived there.

                                      Northern Virginia neighborhoods seemed to have people from every possible ethnic group living together, no big deal. Of course the sexual predators in Loudoun County are a different story.

                                      Southern Virginia, where I am now, is black and white. There are a lot of both in the neighborhood. No big deal, at least not as far as I can tell.

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                                      @Copper said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                      For all its liberalism, Boston was always a red-lined environment.

                                      And not just by skin color. Irish, Italian, Jewish, Catholic, non-Catholic, Black, yellow, democrat, republican they all had their turf. I don't know if it is still this way, it has been decades since I lived there.

                                      A friend of mine who grew up there, and whose dad owned a store, says he clearly remembers him being referred to as a 'damn guinea'. I don't think it's the same now, but I don't go into the city much.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Yes, damn guineas could be a problem.

                                        Of course we had damn guinea friends, and might call them that, no big deal.

                                        Having no social media helped.

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                                          @Horace said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:

                                          A few years ago, after having my alley-loading driveway partially blocked by the neighbor across the alley parking a big pickup in the lane where they're not supposed to park it, and leave it there all day, I left a polite note on the truck asking them to stop doing that. Several months later, I used the alley to park my car for five minutes to unload a christmas tree. About an hour later, I was outside grilling a steak when that pickup drove up and parked in an even more annoying spot, right in front of me as I was grilling. Out popped a 20 something girl and guy of a certain minority status. It was Thanksgiving and I wished them both happy Thanksgiving. The driver, the guy, grunted at me and the girl struck a pose, wordless, with her arms crossed and one leg splayed out slightly to the side. You'd know it if you saw it. No words whatsoever were spoken by them. The implication was clear, we're black, we're not going to take this nonsense from some white guy, and we know you're intimidated. My dog was out there with me and he wouldn't stop barking at them. I tried to calm him down as the girl continued her stare-down. She finally responded with a "happy thanksgiving" to my second attempt at verbal communication. Verbal communication wasn't really their point.

                                          It is reasonable to believe that if you have nothing to lose, you are scary. I doubt this family was of the nothing to lose sort, but I could be wrong, or they could have been nothing to lose adjacent. But their assumption that they're going to go scare the white guy has stuck with me. Race relations in this country are dysfunctional, maybe especially in this leftist stronghold where high status whites proudly teach black people that their lives are fundamentally different and hope-challenged. But yes, if you have cultures where a huge percentage of the people you grow up with expect to go to prison at some point, and it's largely normalized and shame-free, those are dangerous people.

                                          I noticed a difference in the racial environment/tension here as soon as I moved to the US. We were living in an apartment complex which was pretty racially diverse, and I was struck by a vibe, something I couldn't quite put my finger on, that I'd never noticed before either in the UK or Canada.

                                          Funnily enough, I don't notice it anymore, which implies I've probably just got used to it. Either that, or I just live in a much less diverse area, which is also true. This town isn't exactly a cultural melting pot.

                                          I asked about it a bit at the time, and people got really embarrassed and clearly didn't want to talk about it.

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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Gun Deaths, Sacramento and Dallas:.

                                          I noticed a difference in the racial environment/tension here as soon as I moved to the US. We were living in an apartment complex which was pretty racially diverse, and I was struck by a vibe, something I couldn't quite put my finger on, that I'd never noticed before either in the UK or Canada.

                                          I really noticed it’s absence when I moved to Brazil. It was so refreshing.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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