Wait, what?!
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You have got to be kidding me…
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/31/biden-to-invoke-defense-production-act-for-ev-battery-materials.html
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@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
@George-K said in Wait, what?!:
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
Really, the world should just breed a billion horses and have them drag <something> back and forth to generate electricity. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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#1) This is most definitely NOT what the Defense Production Act is/was intended for. This would be a gross abuse of power.
#2) Cobalt and Nickel mining? In the US? The environmental impact s are lone is ridiculous. The guy wants to shut down coal and oil, but wants to compel companies to mine more Copper in the US? I would rather have 2 pipelines in my backyard than a copper leach a mile away.
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Very much a misuse of the Defense Production Act, agreed.
Also, I think like 95% of the global supply of cobalt is in the Republic of Congo? So much so you can dig dirt in your backyard or the tailings of a construction site and come away with a wheel barrow full of it.
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@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
@George-K said in Wait, what?!:
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
The Greens remind me of city folk who dream of living the simple life of a homesteader. Grow a big garden, harvest your own fruit, gather wild edibles, raise your own meat and preserve much of it for later use. Build your own house and barn from materials on your own land.
Until they move out on a 10 acre patch and try to do it. Then all that romanticism gets slapped upside the head by reality. That type of lifestyle takes hard, grueling work. Animals don't take vacations. Logs are heavy and dangerous. Weather doesn't cooperate. Insects ignore your organic farming methods. Weeds do, too.
Some may embrace and live that lifestyle, with some modifications, their entire lives. Most don't. They either convert to a rural lifestyle like most of us out here, who take advantage of how modern life can make things easier and more productive, like diesel tractors, insecticides, herbicides, etc. Or the vast majority pack it in and head back to the suburbs.
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@George-K said in Wait, what?!:
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
The Greens remind me of city folk who dream of living the simple life of a homesteader. Grow a big garden, harvest your own fruit, gather wild edibles, raise your own meat and preserve much of it for later use. Build your own house and barn from materials on your own land.
Until they move out on a 10 acre patch and try to do it. Then all that romanticism gets slapped upside the head by reality. That type of lifestyle takes hard, grueling work. Animals don't take vacations. Logs are heavy and dangerous. Weather doesn't cooperate. Insects ignore your organic farming methods. Weeds do, too.
Some may embrace and live that lifestyle, with some modifications, their entire lives. Most don't. They either convert to a rural lifestyle like most of us out here, who take advantage of how modern life can make things easier and more productive, like diesel tractors, insecticides, herbicides, etc. Or the vast majority pack it in and head back to the suburbs.
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
@George-K said in Wait, what?!:
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
All in on Green...
Until recharging is as fast and convenient as filling 'er up, it's still a long way away.
And, someone remind me where I can buy a bottle of electricity? Where does that come from, anyway.
As someone once said, "If you're serious about being 'green,' the only solution is nuclear."
The Greens remind me of city folk who dream of living the simple life of a homesteader. Grow a big garden, harvest your own fruit, gather wild edibles, raise your own meat and preserve much of it for later use. Build your own house and barn from materials on your own land.
Until they move out on a 10 acre patch and try to do it. Then all that romanticism gets slapped upside the head by reality. That type of lifestyle takes hard, grueling work. Animals don't take vacations. Logs are heavy and dangerous. Weather doesn't cooperate. Insects ignore your organic farming methods. Weeds do, too.
Some may embrace and live that lifestyle, with some modifications, their entire lives. Most don't. They either convert to a rural lifestyle like most of us out here, who take advantage of how modern life can make things easier and more productive, like diesel tractors, insecticides, herbicides, etc. Or the vast majority pack it in and head back to the suburbs.
Rodale literally built an empire off of teaching people to do the very thing you say is nearly impossible. They walked the walk, too, when it came to organic farming. Ever been by to see how they do it?
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Yep, and if we did what Rodale taught, most of us would starve. But at least we could self-heal ourselves through homeopathic methods until we succumbed.
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Yep, and if we did what Rodale taught, most of us would starve. But at least we could self-heal ourselves through homeopathic methods until we succumbed.
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
Yep, and if we did what Rodale taught, most of us would starve. But at least we could self-heal ourselves through homeopathic methods until we succumbed.
Ah, so you don't know the difference.
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@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
Enlighten me, organic boy.
There's Rodale organic farming, and Rodale the media. The former was far more productive than, say, your land. That's why everyone clamored to buy their stupid pamphlets.
The silly stuff came much, much later, when they were an entire generation away from being organic farmers.
You ever read their early stuff? It wasn't "organic farming" in any way you'd recognize. It was pragmatic advice for families who do it for a living. And it worked.
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You don't have a clue how productive or non-productive my land is. Truth is, it's fair, even when amended. Quality of soil can vary. But show me an organic farmer using heritage seeds grow 300+ bushels of corn per acre. I'll wait.
I see no way where organic farming can feed the world.
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You don't have a clue how productive or non-productive my land is. Truth is, it's fair, even when amended. Quality of soil can vary. But show me an organic farmer using heritage seeds grow 300+ bushels of corn per acre. I'll wait.
I see no way where organic farming can feed the world.
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
You don't have a clue how productive or non-productive my land is.
No, but I know how big they grew their farm out to, and it's unlikely for others to yield more. Entirely possible you do, though, that is correct.
My point is that they didn't shill their pamphlets because their farm was a failure. They reluctantly got into pamphleteering because the local demand was bananas. Others wanted the same results.
Truth is, it's fair, even when amended. Quality of soil can vary. But show me an organic farmer using heritage seeds grow 300+ bushels of corn per acre. I'll wait.
Check out their early stuff, man. The way they did it, yields were higher, and it was a closed loop, and a much less fragile schedule to be on. Like I said, it wasn't all "learn how to grow avocados hydroponically on your apartment balcony" to start with. There's organic farming, and Organic Farming.
Please love yourself.
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(Somewhat) fun fact - Corn yields are increasing about 2 bushel per year in the US over the last 50 years or so.
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@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
You don't have a clue how productive or non-productive my land is.
No, but I know how big they grew their farm out to, and it's unlikely for others to yield more. Entirely possible you do, though, that is correct.
My point is that they didn't shill their pamphlets because their farm was a failure. They reluctantly got into pamphleteering because the local demand was bananas. Others wanted the same results.
Truth is, it's fair, even when amended. Quality of soil can vary. But show me an organic farmer using heritage seeds grow 300+ bushels of corn per acre. I'll wait.
Check out their early stuff, man. The way they did it, yields were higher, and it was a closed loop, and a much less fragile schedule to be on. Like I said, it wasn't all "learn how to grow avocados hydroponically on your apartment balcony" to start with. There's organic farming, and Organic Farming.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Wait, what?!:
@Jolly said in Wait, what?!:
You don't have a clue how productive or non-productive my land is.
No, but I know how big they grew their farm out to, and it's unlikely for others to yield more. Entirely possible you do, though, that is correct.
My point is that they didn't shill their pamphlets because their farm was a failure. They reluctantly got into pamphleteering because the local demand was bananas. Others wanted the same results.
Truth is, it's fair, even when amended. Quality of soil can vary. But show me an organic farmer using heritage seeds grow 300+ bushels of corn per acre. I'll wait.
Check out their early stuff, man. The way they did it, yields were higher, and it was a closed loop, and a much less fragile schedule to be on. Like I said, it wasn't all "learn how to grow avocados hydroponically on your apartment balcony" to start with. There's organic farming, and Organic Farming.
I live not too far from Louisiana Delta Plantation. It's not as big as it used to be...When I was a kid, you could saddle a horse at Vick and ride almost to Jonesville, that's around 30 miles and never get off the farm. Past owners have included Prudential Insurance and a Chicago group that included Oprah. The last time it was sold, a couple if years ago, it was still about 90,000 acres.
I don't see how organic methods could be used on big tract farms like that.
