Video of looters in Philly
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I may be 100% wrong and I will admit I dont have a lot of experience, but why is looting kind of a US "thing".
Yes, it happens in other countries, and sometimes big protests result in broken buildings and looting (see burning of Central World Department Store in BKK in 2010), but seems much more common in the US. Why is that?
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From Frank Bruni's column:
"Over the past week, Louisville has been the scene of especially tense encounters between protesters and the police, and of harrowing violence . . . Pictures and videos from Louisville portray a militarized police force and streets that look like war zones.
But a video from Sunday night portrayed something else. Captured and shared by Roberto Ferdman of Vice News, it showed a protester and a police officer clutching each other. Hugging.
“She just went in for the hug, and the officer accepted,” Ferdman wrote in the tweet in which the video appears. “Lasted almost a minute. Incredible.” Indeed. And while it’s just one moment involving two people, it says something and it means something. There’s hope in that hug."
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Damn decent of that officer hugging that rioter.
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Damn decent of that officer hugging that rioter.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
that rioter.
Was she rioting? Was she throwing bricks, frozen bottles of water? Was she looting?
I'm sure that that video is available on social media.
Otherwise, you're just making shit up.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The two factors at play here are a large under-class with nothing to lose, and a larger enabling ruling class who consider it evil to hold the under-class accountable for their behavior.
@Horace said in Video of looters in Philly:
The two factors at play here are a large under-class with nothing to lose, and a larger enabling ruling class who consider it evil to hold the under-class accountable for their behavior.
Also insurance covers it and damage is justified, a satisfying fvck you.
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But the same things are present in many countries. It just seems that it has become "acceptable" to riot and loot and destroy buildings.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
that rioter.
Was she rioting? Was she throwing bricks, frozen bottles of water? Was she looting?
I'm sure that that video is available on social media.
Otherwise, you're just making shit up.
@George-K said in Video of looters in Philly:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
that rioter.
Was she rioting? Was she throwing bricks, frozen bottles of water? Was she looting?
I'm sure that that video is available on social media.
Otherwise, you're just making shit up.
Helpful resource:
https://bit.ly/3gV5b14 -
@George-K said in Video of looters in Philly:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
that rioter.
Was she rioting? Was she throwing bricks, frozen bottles of water? Was she looting?
I'm sure that that video is available on social media.
Otherwise, you're just making shit up.
Helpful resource:
https://bit.ly/3gV5b14@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
Helpful resource:
https://bit.ly/3gV5b14Thanks for the tip.
In another thread you commented that because something didn't appear on social media, it didn't happen. In fact, you said, you follow it closely, and since you didn't see it, the allegations about the "protestors" at St. John's were wrong, and it was all peaceful.
I'm simply turning your argument back at you. Since I didn't see that she didn't throw anything, there's a possibility that she did.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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But the same things are present in many countries. It just seems that it has become "acceptable" to riot and loot and destroy buildings.
@taiwan_girl said in Video of looters in Philly:
But the same things are present in many countries. It just seems that it has become "acceptable" to riot and loot and destroy buildings.
Try it!
It might be fun!!
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Look at all the laughter while looting, you don't think this isn't a riot, er, fun? -
But the same things are present in many countries. It just seems that it has become "acceptable" to riot and loot and destroy buildings.
@taiwan_girl said in Video of looters in Philly:
But the same things are present in many countries. It just seems that it has become "acceptable" to riot and loot and destroy buildings.
I figured the cops were too busy or strategically protecting more important things to respond to ad-hoc animalistic looting of retail stores. Just simple math. The cops would stop them if they could.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
Helpful resource:
https://bit.ly/3gV5b14Thanks for the tip.
In another thread you commented that because something didn't appear on social media, it didn't happen. In fact, you said, you follow it closely, and since you didn't see it, the allegations about the "protestors" at St. John's were wrong, and it was all peaceful.
I'm simply turning your argument back at you. Since I didn't see that she didn't throw anything, there's a possibility that she did.
@George-K said in Video of looters in Philly:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
Helpful resource:
https://bit.ly/3gV5b14Thanks for the tip.
In another thread you commented that because something didn't appear on social media, it didn't happen. In fact, you said, you follow it closely, and since you didn't see it, the allegations about the "protestors" at St. John's were wrong, and it was all peaceful.
No, that's not what I'm saying. To clarify, my position is this:
(1) I believe I'm more informed than you about the events in DC. No, I'm not an expert and I have zero first-hand experience. None. (Although when I did, with the women's march right after the election, I was told here at TNCR that my being there made me biased and uninformed, so what the fuck ever.) But as you yourself admitted, you're not following it closely and you're reserving judgment. I've friends and coworkers downtown.
(2) I'm talking about the crowd overall, not 100% of everyone involved, including the comers and goers for that time period. Overall, yes, non-violent crowd on June 1 at 6:35 pm. It's wrong to say otherwise.
(3) The nights are a very different story. Hell hour by hour is often a different story. Yes there's a shitload of destruction and looting. There's nothing to argue about there because the news has made that very obvious. What it seldom makes as obvious are protests without incident, and people keeping it peaceful. Peaceful is boring and not worthy of report.
(4) Honestly I think what it is here is "I've never protested. So I don't identify with doing that. Therefore, bad people." It's the same thing for ACAB: no one with family members in the police would ever say that.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
(1) I believe I'm more informed than you about the events in DC. No, I'm not an expert and I have zero first-hand experience. None.
So, your statement is based on your beliefs, not on facts. Okay.
(2) I'm talking about the crowd overall, not 100% of everyone involved, including the comers and goers for that time period. Overall, yes, non-violent crowd on June 1 at 6:35 pm. It's wrong to say otherwise.
It is the job of the Secret Service to mitigate ALL threats to POTUS at ALL times. Not the majority, not 99%. All threats. According to the Chief of Police, who I assume you think is lying, those threats existed. Yeah, maybe it was 10%. Maybe it was 1%. That’s an unacceptable risk.
(3) The nights are a very different story. Hell hour by hour is often a different story. Yes there's a shitload of destruction and looting.
Of course it is. But I’m not talking about the general picture. I’m talking about what the Chief commented on at 6:33 PM. Bottles and other objects thrown. You claim he was lying based on your exploration of social media. You can’t concede that what your exploration revealed might be incomplete, and you imply he was lying?
(4) Honestly I think what it is here is "I've never protested. So I don't identify with doing that. Therefore, bad people."
Good comment, but irrelevant to what we’re talking about - specifically St. John’s.
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So, your statement is based on your beliefs, not on facts. Okay.
Really? We're going to do that?
It is the job of the Secret Service to mitigate ALL threats to POTUS at ALL times. Not the majority, not 99%. All threats. According to the Chief of Police, who I assume you think is lying, those threats existed. Yeah, maybe it was 10%. Maybe it was 1%. That’s an unacceptable risk.
Had they started clearing the crowd out earlier, very strong chance there'd have been no controversy. See my comment about the botched communication from the White House to the law enforcement officers. Include the Secret Service in that.
Of course it is. But I’m not talking about the general picture. I’m talking about what the Chief commented on at 6:33 PM. Bottles and other objects thrown. You claim he was lying based on your exploration of social media. You can’t concede that what your exploration revealed might be incomplete, and you imply he was lying?
Guy says something happened and it negates everything I've seen and heard. Everything. And during a series of events where police officials have destroyed windows and their own squad cars so that they can pin it on the protesters. I can absolutely concede that I might be wrong about St. John's on June 1, but I'm not going to. Yes, I trust what I've heard and saw over what that guy said. It's a judgement call backed by more evidence than your position, which is only backed by what he's saying.
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So, your statement is based on your beliefs, not on facts. Okay.
Really? We're going to do that?
It is the job of the Secret Service to mitigate ALL threats to POTUS at ALL times. Not the majority, not 99%. All threats. According to the Chief of Police, who I assume you think is lying, those threats existed. Yeah, maybe it was 10%. Maybe it was 1%. That’s an unacceptable risk.
Had they started clearing the crowd out earlier, very strong chance there'd have been no controversy. See my comment about the botched communication from the White House to the law enforcement officers. Include the Secret Service in that.
Of course it is. But I’m not talking about the general picture. I’m talking about what the Chief commented on at 6:33 PM. Bottles and other objects thrown. You claim he was lying based on your exploration of social media. You can’t concede that what your exploration revealed might be incomplete, and you imply he was lying?
Guy says something happened and it negates everything I've seen and heard. Everything. And during a series of events where police officials have destroyed windows and their own squad cars so that they can pin it on the protesters. I can absolutely concede that I might be wrong about St. John's on June 1, but I'm not going to. Yes, I trust what I've heard and saw over what that guy said. It's a judgement call backed by more evidence than your position, which is only backed by what he's saying.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Video of looters in Philly:
So, your statement is based on your beliefs, not on facts. Okay.
Really? We're going to do that?
It is the job of the Secret Service to mitigate ALL threats to POTUS at ALL times. Not the majority, not 99%. All threats. According to the Chief of Police, who I assume you think is lying, those threats existed. Yeah, maybe it was 10%. Maybe it was 1%. That’s an unacceptable risk.
Had they started clearing the crowd out earlier, very strong chance there'd have been no controversy. See my comment about the botched communication from the White House to the law enforcement officers. Include the Secret Service in that.
Of course it is. But I’m not talking about the general picture. I’m talking about what the Chief commented on at 6:33 PM. Bottles and other objects thrown. You claim he was lying based on your exploration of social media. You can’t concede that what your exploration revealed might be incomplete, and you imply he was lying?
Guy says something happened and it negates everything I've seen and heard. Everything. And during a series of events where police officials have destroyed windows and their own squad cars so that they can pin it on the protesters. I can absolutely concede that I might be wrong about St. John's on June 1, but I'm not going to. Yes, I trust what I've heard and saw over what that guy said. It's a judgement call backed by more evidence than your position, which is only backed by what he's saying.
The truth be told I do suspect the particular events around the clearing of the park yesterday. It smells unprovoked.
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Security for the President is essential.
Imagine if Trump were assassinated!
Half the country would erupt in cheers, the other half would kinda shrug, go online, virtue signal about how many guns they have and how they'll take them out and THIS TIME they really really mean it. Or something like that.
There would be a funeral, and hardly any world leaders would attend. Geez, embarrassing.
And how would Trump be remembered?
Guess.
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I do think that the protesters fail to realize that they're actually in the next election: they're going to win or lose votes based on how they handle all this. It seems many of them still have Hillary syndrome; "we're so in the right that we don't have to try to win any support, because everyone who disagrees is prejudiced and dismissable." Big mistake.
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You know what I think? All of you need a project. You need to work on something that keeps you occupied mentally and physically for the next week. Catch the news for 30 minutes. Limit your other screen time to no more than an hour per day (unless it’s for work, but then focus only on work). Forget about this crap for a few days...
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