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Daylight Saving to be made permanent

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  • George KG George K

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

    Most of the world's countries do not use DST, but it is common in Europe and North America.

    The United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada and many other countries have DST. These countries also have regions that do not have DST:

    • United States: most of Arizona and Hawaii
    • Australia: Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory
    • Canada: Saskatchewan except for a few locations with the border with Alberta and Manitoba, and the Yukon Territory
    • Iceland, Russia, Belarus, and some parts of Ukraine are countries in Europe without DST.
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    @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

    Most of the world's countries do not use DST, but it is common in Europe and North America.

    The United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada and many other countries have DST. These countries also have regions that do not have DST:

    • United States: most of Arizona and Hawaii
    • Australia: Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory
    • Canada: Saskatchewan except for a few locations with the border with Alberta and Manitoba, and the Yukon Territory
    • Iceland, Russia, Belarus, and some parts of Ukraine are countries in Europe without DST.

    They forgot Indiana. Most of which is always EST

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      I don’t think those people give much thought to an 8:30 am sunrise in December (if you make DST permanent) or darker summer evenings if you eliminate it.

      I think they literally are just unhappy about the act of changing the clock.

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      @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

      I don’t think those people give much thought to an 8:30 am sunrise in December (if you make DST permanent) or darker summer evenings if you eliminate it.

      I think they literally are just unhappy about the act of changing the clock.

      Yes.

      Changing the clocks makes a lot of sense.

      Somehow, hating clock changing has become a virtue signal.

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        Oh, Hell no.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Renauda
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          Here it is under provincial jurisdiction. We had a referendum last fall whether to stay with changing the clocks twice a year or permanent DST. The choice to remain in standard time was not offered by the Kenney regime. Thankfully reason prevailed and permanent DST was rejected.

          Elbows up!

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            Catseye3
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            #16

            Don't be surprised if it fails the House. It could be a way to build some good-guy cred for the voters wanting it permanent without Congress to having to actually do anything.

            'Course, this is the current day House, so . . .

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

              https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

              Most of the world's countries do not use DST, but it is common in Europe and North America.

              The United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada and many other countries have DST. These countries also have regions that do not have DST:

              • United States: most of Arizona and Hawaii
              • Australia: Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory
              • Canada: Saskatchewan except for a few locations with the border with Alberta and Manitoba, and the Yukon Territory
              • Iceland, Russia, Belarus, and some parts of Ukraine are countries in Europe without DST.

              They forgot Indiana. Most of which is always EST

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              #17

              @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

              @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

              https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

              Most of the world's countries do not use DST, but it is common in Europe and North America.

              The United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada and many other countries have DST. These countries also have regions that do not have DST:

              • United States: most of Arizona and Hawaii
              • Australia: Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory
              • Canada: Saskatchewan except for a few locations with the border with Alberta and Manitoba, and the Yukon Territory
              • Iceland, Russia, Belarus, and some parts of Ukraine are countries in Europe without DST.

              They forgot Indiana. Most of which is always EST

              Not anymore. They stopped that quite a few years ago.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                I’m far too lazy today understand. I think I’d be fine without changing clocks regardless of what time we select.

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                  mark
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                  It's a non-issue for me.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    Your tax dollars at shirk. Runaway inflation, out of control spending, pandemic, war in Europe and this is what the Senate is spending time on.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Which reminds me of what I was thinking about last night. Why now did they even hold the vote? Why now? It's like, "Oh, hey, it's DST! Let's vote on it! Let's provide a distraction.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Your tax dollars at shirk. Runaway inflation, out of control spending, pandemic, war in Europe and this is what the Senate is spending time on.

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                        @Mik said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                        Your tax dollars at shirk. Runaway inflation, out of control spending, pandemic, war in Europe and this is what the Senate is spending time on.

                        They've spent their working lives learning how to make idiots happy, and now they're applying this knowledge.

                        I was only joking

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                          It's been tried before:

                          https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

                          Congress had voted on December 14, 1973, to put the US on daylight saving time for two years. President Nixon signed the bill the next day. The US had gone to permanent daylight saving time before, during World War II. Then, too, the measure was enacted to save fuel. Permanent DST wasn’t close to the wackiest idea about time floating around—Paul Mullinax, a geographer who worked at the Pentagon, came up with the idea of putting the continental US on a single time zone. “USA Time” would apply from Bangor to Barstow, eliminate jet lag, and standardize TV schedules. His idea even got traction in Congress, via a bill from US Representative Patsy Mink of Hawaii. “The human being is a very adaptive animal,” he said. “There is no reason we have to be a slave to the sun.”

                          And yet the early-morning darkness quickly proved dangerous for children: A 6-year-old Alexandria girl was struck by a car on her way to Polk Elementary School on January 7; the accident broke her leg. Two Prince George’s County students were hurt in February. In the weeks after the change, eight Florida kids were killed in traffic accidents. Florida’s governor, Reubin Askew, asked for Congress to repeal the measure. “It’s time to recognize that we may well have made a mistake,” US Senator Dick Clark of Iowa said during a speech in Congress on January 28, 1974. In the Washington area, some schools delayed their start times until the sun caught up with the clock.

                          The factual picture was a bit more complicated. The National Safety Council reported in February that pre-sunrise fatalities had risen to 20 from 18 the year before. In July, Roger Sant, then an assistant administrator-designate for the Federal Energy Administration, wrote a letter to the Post that noted a 1 percent energy saving achieved by going to DST equated to 20,000-30,000 tons of coal not being burned each day. Further, he wrote, accidents had fallen in the afternoons.

                          By August, though, as the Watergate scandal caused the Nixon administration to crumble, the country was ready to move on from its clock experiments. While 79 percent of Americans approved of the change in December 1973, approval had dropped to 42 percent three months later, the New York Times reported. Seven days after President Nixon resigned, US Senator Bob Dole of Kansas introduced an amendment in August that would end the DST experiment. It passed. A similar bill passed the House. In late September, the full Congress passed a bill that would restore standard time on October 27. President Ford signed it on October 5. Energy savings, a House panel noted, “must be balanced against a majority of the public’s distaste for the observance of Daylight Saving Time.”

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

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                              George K
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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                              Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

                              Which opinion might that be?

                              • Kimmel is a flack
                              • The audience is stupid.
                              • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

                              There are more, of course.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

                                Which opinion might that be?

                                • Kimmel is a flack
                                • The audience is stupid.
                                • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

                                There are more, of course.

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

                                Watching old Dave Letterman clips on Youtube followed by Jimmy Kimmel or one of those English blokes you chaps seem to love so much is really an eye opener.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Yes, this is woke

                                  Just shut up

                                  It is another of those things you just know, but you aren't sure exactly why

                                  Shut up

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                                    Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                                    I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                                    https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Maybe not such a good idea. But I also don't buy the idea that switching times twice a year is bad for our health.

                                      https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/daylight-savings-times-senate-sleep-science-1322200/?fbclid=IwAR3YL5SiVld09rLAo96_BS04caR-2IAhn4VKY_G89VosXb1AdT1rn1xyiC4

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                                        I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                                        https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

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                                        @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                        Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                                        I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                                        https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                                        For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                                        "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                                        "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                                        "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                          Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                                          I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                                          https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                                          For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                                          "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                                          "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                                          "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                          @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                          Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                                          I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                                          https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                                          For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                                          "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                                          "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                                          "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

                                          Celebrity worship isn’t really the same thing. An unknown hacky comic can get clapter by going on stage and saying something like “women are so much smarter than men” to set up a joke.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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