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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Tucker and I have something in common - we share a disdain for his audience.

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    Horace
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    I choose open minded understanding and compassion for those raised in different times, surrounded by different mainstream ideas. This path of virtue is not the easy one, but it is the right one.

    Education is extremely important.

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Can't speak to Tucker Carlson as I have a sneezing fit from all the hairspray every time I see him. I'm just saying that there is nothing inappropriate with Gabbard's statements. Those facilities do need to be secured and the pathogens destroyed, especially if Putin's doing some kind of weird wink and a nod with it.

        The Brad

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          @George-K said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

          She nails it, though the call to resign is over the top. I don't get where people in the replies are calling her a conspiracy theorist. She laid out simple and documented facts. WTF is wrong with people right now?

          The Brad

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            "Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              "Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.

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              @Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

              "Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.

              Apologies for stating the obvious, but Mitt Romney isn't on the left, and Tulsi Gabbard isn't exactly a conservative.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                "Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.

                Apologies for stating the obvious, but Mitt Romney isn't on the left, and Tulsi Gabbard isn't exactly a conservative.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                @Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                "Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.

                Apologies for stating the obvious, but Mitt Romney isn't on the left, and Tulsi Gabbard isn't exactly a conservative.

                In the context of this conversation, Romney was using the "conspiracy theorist" meme for its political effect, to marginalize a political opponent. It's part of the lefty playbook, but that does not mean its use is relegated to registered Democrats. I'm always eager to point out the conspiracy theorists on the left, for instance. Most obviously the race narrative, which is the largest and most powerful conspiracy theory on the planet. And I am not a registered Democrat.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  #38

                  So it's used by both the left and the right.

                  Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    So it's used by both the left and the right.

                    Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                    So it's used by both the left and the right.

                    Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.

                    Yes but not everybody is motivated to see anecdotal evidence on both sides and then stop thinking, with a declaration that both sides are equally stupid. Accusations of being a conspiracy theorist was minted for its political value by the left, and relatively recently. But hey, good ideas get stolen.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Can't speak to Tucker Carlson as I have a sneezing fit from all the hairspray every time I see him. I'm just saying that there is nothing inappropriate with Gabbard's statements. Those facilities do need to be secured and the pathogens destroyed, especially if Putin's doing some kind of weird wink and a nod with it.

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                      I have a sneezing fit from all the hairspray every time I see him.

                      Tucker, Trump and Hannity all have that oh-so-manly trait in common- do you think they've maybe inhaled a little too much of the stuff?

                      I was only joking

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                        So many times Mr. Trump has been misunderstood because he was so far ahead of the average man.

                        But, sooner or later everyone comes around to his way of thinking.

                        Mr. Carlson clearly has this same superior insight and foresight.

                        Tulsi's evidence confirms this.

                        I wonder if there is some gypsy in his family tree.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          So many times Mr. Trump has been misunderstood because he was so far ahead of the average man.

                          But, sooner or later everyone comes around to his way of thinking.

                          Mr. Carlson clearly has this same superior insight and foresight.

                          Tulsi's evidence confirms this.

                          I wonder if there is some gypsy in his family tree.

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                          @Copper said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                          I wonder if there is some gypsy in his family tree.

                          They don't even encourage gypsies on his family golf course, much less in his family tree.

                          I was only joking

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                            So it's used by both the left and the right.

                            Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.

                            Yes but not everybody is motivated to see anecdotal evidence on both sides and then stop thinking, with a declaration that both sides are equally stupid. Accusations of being a conspiracy theorist was minted for its political value by the left, and relatively recently. But hey, good ideas get stolen.

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                            @Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                            Accusations of being a conspiracy theorist was minted for its political descriptive value by the left, and relatively recently.

                            ‘Recently’ in comparison to the age of the republic? The Birchers were very much conspiracy-driven, as was pointed out in the 50s and 60s by Buckley himself, as he banished their crazy asses to bingo halls.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

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                                @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                                Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?

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                                  Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • LarryL Larry

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                    More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                                    Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?

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                                    @Larry said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                    More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                                    Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?

                                    Birtherism.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @Larry said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                      More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                                      Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?

                                      Birtherism.

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                                      Larry
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                      @Larry said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                      More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)

                                      Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?

                                      Birtherism.

                                      "Birtherism" was the creation of Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump. Secondly, the things he may have said about the issue had absolutely nothing to do with his political success, and to dismiss the real reasons he succeeded by attempting to reduce it down to a Clinton created conspiracy is an insult to thinking people.

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                                        Donald Trump rode it for months and months until he reeled in the credulous third of the GOP.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.

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                                          @Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

                                          Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.

                                          Obviously, the idea that there was huge, but unproven, voter fraud in the 2020 election and that that Donald Trump won it, in his words, 'by a lot', is in no way a conspiracy theory.

                                          Because stealing an entire national election wouldn't require any kind of massive conspiracy. A couple of guys could get it done on their day off.

                                          Is that what you mean by giggling at them? Because you know what? It's pretty funny.

                                          I was only joking

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