$100/1000 miles
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 15:19 last edited by Jolly 3 Dec 2022, 15:20
BTW, if one can average 30mpg and gas is $3.00/gal, it costs $999 to travel 1000 miles.
The average battery pack lasts ten years and costs $5000 to replace. Batteries will degrade over time, with about a 2.3% loss of range every 12 months. They also are not as efficient in cold weather.
In normal times, a Toyota Corolla will cost about $20,000. It will give you 200,000 miles of service (maybe more) with regular maintenance and a few small repairs. You can drive it coast to coast, stopping only for quick fuel-ups and potty breaks.
And if it breaks down in Cattlegap, Kansas, there is somebody within easy towing distance to fix it.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 15:27 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 15:31 last edited by
I remember buying gas at 23¢ a gallon. My 1968 Mustang got about 12 mpg.
So, to drive 1000 miles, I'd burn about 83 gallons. That would cost $19.16 - in 1968 dollars. Today, that's $156.
My current car gets about 30 mpg, so to drive 1000 miles, I'd burn 33 gallons. At $5/gal - that's $165.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 15:55 last edited by
But how long will we see $5 gas?
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 15:57 last edited by
@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
But how long will we see $5 gas?
If it stays under $10 I'll be very impressed.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 16:01 last edited by
$100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.
Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.
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@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
But how long will we see $5 gas?
If it stays under $10 I'll be very impressed.
wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 16:04 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in $100/1000 miles:
@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
But how long will we see $5 gas?
If it stays under $10 I'll be very impressed.
Impressed you will be.
I don't think Vlad The Invader has any intention of staying in Ukraine. Too much blood and treasure, it would make Afghanistan look like a walk in the park.
No, I think we ramp up, even though Biden will be dragged along kicking and screaming, as the Green New Deal gets the crap kicked out of it. I think Canada ramps up. I think we turn a blind eye and Venezuela and Iran make a bunch of money. Then, I think Putin gets his butt out of Ukraine and the West lets him turn the taps back on...And, Lord, he's gonna need the money, due to pressure from the Russian people, who will be tired of the sanctions by then.
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$100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.
Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.
wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 16:08 last edited by@Axtremus said in $100/1000 miles:
$100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.
Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.
Look at long term upkeep, however.
The greenest vehicle is not the cheapest to operate in the short term, but the one that can last the longest and operate the cheapest over the long haul...Let's go back to that Corolla...If we can get over 200,000 miles in a 20 year period with no major repairs, is it not the cheapest to own and the greenest option?
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 17:00 last edited by
It's what? 50 miles per hour charged? So 20 hours. What's 20 hours worth to you?
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It's what? 50 miles per hour charged? So 20 hours. What's 20 hours worth to you?
wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 17:21 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in $100/1000 miles:
It's what? 50 miles per hour charged? So 20 hours. What's 20 hours worth to you?
It makes sense iff you can charge overnights.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2022, 22:13 last edited by
I think EV's make sense as city cars, at the right price. Commute and top off the batteries at night. Just don't expect them to last for long periods without serious battery costs.
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I think EV's make sense as city cars, at the right price. Commute and top off the batteries at night. Just don't expect them to last for long periods without serious battery costs.
wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 00:18 last edited by@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
I think EV's make sense as city cars, at the right price. Commute and top off the batteries at night.
If you have the ability to do that. Apartment dwellers who park in outside lots or on the street don't have that option.
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wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 02:22 last edited by
Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?
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@Axtremus said in $100/1000 miles:
$100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.
Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.
Look at long term upkeep, however.
The greenest vehicle is not the cheapest to operate in the short term, but the one that can last the longest and operate the cheapest over the long haul...Let's go back to that Corolla...If we can get over 200,000 miles in a 20 year period with no major repairs, is it not the cheapest to own and the greenest option?
wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 04:38 last edited by@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
@Axtremus said in $100/1000 miles:
$100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.
Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.
Look at long term upkeep, however.
The greenest vehicle is not the cheapest to operate in the short term, but the one that can last the longest and operate the cheapest over the long haul...Let's go back to that Corolla...If we can get over 200,000 miles in a 20 year period with no major repairs, is it not the cheapest to own and the greenest option?
Indeed, I have seen studies that show that the most eco-friendly option when it comes to buying a car is to buy a used car. The total carbon footprint, once you factor in the manufacturing of the car itself, favors used cars.
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wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 11:31 last edited by
@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?
Tax the rich
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wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 14:08 last edited by
@Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:
Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?
We discussed that before, you started the thread:
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/8222/by-the-mile?page=1 -
wrote on 13 Mar 2022, 16:24 last edited by
A year ago?
Son, I've slept since then...
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wrote on 15 Mar 2022, 01:17 last edited by
Reading an interesting paper about a charging company whose focus is getting charging stations into conventional gas stations.
There are about 115,000 gas stations in the US and they estimate they really only need to get into ~ 25-33% of the stations, and many gas stations are "clustered" near each other.
Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.
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Reading an interesting paper about a charging company whose focus is getting charging stations into conventional gas stations.
There are about 115,000 gas stations in the US and they estimate they really only need to get into ~ 25-33% of the stations, and many gas stations are "clustered" near each other.
Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.
wrote on 15 Mar 2022, 01:29 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:
Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.
Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”
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@taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:
Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.
Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”
wrote on 15 Mar 2022, 01:34 last edited by@George-K said in $100/1000 miles:
@taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:
Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.
Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”
Right now, I agree. But I also think that battery technology/charging technology will increase immensly.
My prediction is that in between 5-10 years time, a person will be able to recharge a car battery from 0-80% in 10 minutes or less, and that charge will give you a mile distance equivalent to a tank of gas (600 km or so)
(We will have to "revisit" this forum thread in 5 years to see how close I am. 555)