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'Choot 'em!

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  • George KG George K

    @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

    I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

    Does this not apply to a business that's being looted?

    (asking for Larry)

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    Aqua Letifer
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    @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

    @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

    I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

    In our area, that's not true. A guy breaks in and goes for your TV, you can't injure him. All you're legally allowed to do is call 911. You can only defend yourself against an imminent threat.

    Please love yourself.

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      Jolly
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      Louisiana has Castle Doctrine.

      Louisiana's Castle Doctrine In Louisiana deadly force is legal when preventing immediate death or serious bodily injury in one's home, vehicle or place of work. Non-deadly force must be deemed reasonable under the circumstances.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

        @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

        I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

        In our area, that's not true. A guy breaks in and goes for your TV, you can't injure him. All you're legally allowed to do is call 911. You can only defend yourself against an imminent threat.

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        George K
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        @Aqua-Letifer said in 'Choot 'em!:

        @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

        @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

        I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

        In our area, that's not true. A guy breaks in and goes for your TV, you can't injure him. All you're legally allowed to do is call 911. You can only defend yourself against an imminent threat.

        A guy comes into your home or business wielding a shovel, 2X4 or baseball bat. Is that an imminent threat?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Aqua-Letifer said in 'Choot 'em!:

          @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

          @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

          I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

          In our area, that's not true. A guy breaks in and goes for your TV, you can't injure him. All you're legally allowed to do is call 911. You can only defend yourself against an imminent threat.

          A guy comes into your home or business wielding a shovel, 2X4 or baseball bat. Is that an imminent threat?

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          @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in 'Choot 'em!:

          @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

          @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

          I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

          In our area, that's not true. A guy breaks in and goes for your TV, you can't injure him. All you're legally allowed to do is call 911. You can only defend yourself against an imminent threat.

          A guy comes into your home or business wielding a shovel, 2X4 or baseball bat. Is that an imminent threat?

          Only if he makes a deliberate move against you. You hit or shoot him in the side or from a long enough distance, and you can very well be prosecuted.

          Crazy law.

          Please love yourself.

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            Jolly
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            If you let the average man wielding a shovel within ten feet of you and your weapon is still holstered, you stand a very good chance of being maimed or killed.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              If you let the average man wielding a shovel within ten feet of you and your weapon is still holstered, you stand a very good chance of being maimed or killed.

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              @Jolly said in 'Choot 'em!:

              If you let the average man wielding a shovel within ten feet of you and your weapon is still holstered, you stand a very good chance of being maimed or killed.

              Yep. 20 feet for the average person with experience. So yeah, crazy law. But like my old sifu used to say, "know your local laws." His English was fine. What he meant was, know what you're getting into.

              Please love yourself.

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              • George KG George K

                @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

                I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

                Does this not apply to a business that's being looted?

                (asking for Larry)

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                Larry
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                @George-K said in 'Choot 'em!:

                @Jolly it raises an interesting question.

                I think that, in most jurisdictions, if someone comes to your property with the intent of causing harm, you have the right to use proportional, if not deadly, force to defend yourself and your property.

                Does this not apply to a business that's being looted?

                (asking for Larry)

                Here's what the police chief told me a long time ago. If you shoot him, make sure you kill him. And drag the body inside the building before you call us.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                    @jon-nyc said in 'Choot 'em!:

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                    You know, if I was a looter, I don't think the lack of spelling skills would impact the message.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #24

                      It may well be photoshopped anyway, I just found it funny.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        It may well be photoshopped anyway, I just found it funny.

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                        @jon-nyc: Me too, Jon.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          Jolly
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                          In Atlanta today, the cops have backed up and are starting to let some rioters do what they may. Many have determined the possibility of criminal charges if the do the wrong thing in the heat of the moment or even if they appear to do the wrong thing through the wrong camera angle, is simply not worth it.

                          I do know Apple is having to provide armed security for its Atlanta employees, and none of those employees are allowed to wear corporate insignia. The employees were being attacked, for whatever reason.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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