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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1421

    I should think so.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1422

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russia-ukraine-war

      Some of the comments:
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      Al Jazeera spoke to Pavel Felgenhauer, a Russian defence analyst who served as a senior research officer in the Soviet Academy of Sciences.

      Al Jazeera: Why do you think an escalation is imminent?

      Pavel Felgenhauer: We cannot totally predict everything. But I believe that an escalation right now is imminent. An escalation in the fighting; everyone is talking about a Russian offensive. Western military commanders in Brussels are also talking about how the Ukrainians should go on the offensive.

      Al Jazeera: Isn’t Russia faring better than expected? Doesn’t the economy seem to be stable even after strict sanctions?

      Felgenhauer: Russia, of course right now, has very serious financial problems with a deficit that’s being financed by printing money. It has problems on the battlefield at the same time.

      I don’t see how this can continue in the present pattern for a long time. It’s like football, you never know what’s going to happen actually on the battlefield. There’s a well-known saying that “Russia is never a strong as your fear”, as we see during this year, but “Russia is also never as weak as you hope”. So you can’t just write off Russia. The intensity of the fighting is too high for it to be maintained for long.

      Al Jazeera: If it is such a drag, why did Russian President Vladimir Putin go to war?

      Felgenhauer: There was a military reason — to prevent Western missiles appearing in Ukraine for a direct strike on Moscow.

      There was a geopolitical reason — to reunite the Russian people, assuming that Ukrainians are Russian people, and to defy the West and actually undermine Western unity.

      Also, to cause friction within the Western alliance and also establish a new multipolar world.

      Al Jazeera: So what went wrong for Russia?

      Felgenhauer: The Russian military turned out to be not as strong as not only the West believes, but its own leadership believes. It’s not ready for modern warfare.

      The Ukrainians are much better, they were better prepared organisationally and in terms of command and control, in terms of command personnel, and then they got better weapons than the Russians.

      The Russian military has been isolated for more than 100 years from world tendencies in war-making. They are still living in the world of tanks, believing that if you mass enough, victory falls into your lap.

      Al Jazeera: Do you believe that this conflict will come to its end soon?

      Felgenhauer: I believe it will end this year.

      They tried talks in March, then meetings in Istanbul, which hinted that they’re moving towards some kind of an agreement. But Russia and Ukraine were miles apart.

      Ukraine was more or less ready to agree in February 2022. Now Ukrainians say they want more and Russia also says it wants more. So again, two sides are miles apart.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1423

        Problematic polarization between Russia and Ukraine notwithstanding, it’s a hopeful assessment.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Problematic polarization between Russia and Ukraine notwithstanding, it’s a hopeful assessment.

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #1424

          @Mik

          Check out my link with Stephen Kotkin’s analysis in the Bolton thread. A decidedly more sober assessment.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1425

            My concern is what does Putin do if and when his conventional forces are exhausted and no victory in sight.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              My concern is what does Putin do if and when his conventional forces are exhausted and no victory in sight.

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #1426

              @Mik

              That might prove to be the opportunity for a position of strength diplomatic solution imposing an armistice on both sides. That is more or less Kotkin’s solution in the link.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #1427

                Only had time to listen to half of it. He was talking about that when I had to leave. He made great points about it being a war of attrition and that we are not ramping up production. A mistake in my book.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Only had time to listen to half of it. He was talking about that when I had to leave. He made great points about it being a war of attrition and that we are not ramping up production. A mistake in my book.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #1428

                  @Mik

                  I agree, Kotkin makes a lot of sense regarding it being a war of attrition and just what that means to all parties. You’ll see how he ties everything together later on when he adds China into the mix of his analysis.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1429

                    Massively ramping up production would be a much bigger message than a trip to Kiev. I’m not dissing the trip, I just think that action would have spoken louder.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #1430

                      I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

                      Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1431

                        Guns or butter.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

                          Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

                          MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1432

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

                          Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

                          God, I hope they will.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Guns or butter.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #1433

                            @Jolly

                            Constitutionally in this country guns are a federal responsibility and butter is a provincial responsibility. I see no problem provided both are willing to cut duplication and waste.

                            I wish it were as simple in practice as the constitution defines it.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1434

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1435

                                https://globalnews.ca/news/9505763/ukrainian-flag-paint-road-russian-embassy-london/amp/

                                Elbows up!

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                                • W Offline
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                                  Wim
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1436

                                  Lukashenko in trouble?

                                  https://wyborcza.pl/7,75399,29505280,czy-bialoruscy-partyzanci-zniszczyli-rosjanom-samolot-wczesnego.html#S.MT-K.C-B.1-L.1.duzy

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1437

                                    The story:

                                    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/claims-swirl-around-supposed-strike-on-russian-a-50-radar-jet-in-belarus

                                    There has been quite the buzz this Sunday on social media about a supposed attack on a Russian A-50 Mainstay airborne early warning and control aircraft that is forward deployed to Machulishchy Air Base south of Minsk, in Belarus. We cannot confirm that this attack actually happened or the nature of the damage, if any, to the A-50 — the type has been a staple at the base throughout the war. But if it did occur, it would be a significant loss for the Russian Air Force and, depending on how it was carried out, it could be a sign of a developing front and what's to come in the now year-old war.
                                    The image seen at the top of this article was taken on February 19th. It shows the A-50 in its usual spot at the Belarusian air base. Various claims state that the aircraft, a variant of the Il-76 quad-jet cargo transport, was attacked via drone and damaged if not destroyed. There are also claims that this was done by a partisan group inside Belarus, which would be a significant development if true.

                                    The target here is very important, regardless. The A-50s are very low-density, high-demand assets and are one of Russia's major advantages over Ukraine in terms of the air war. The A-50 provides general wide-area aerial surveillance and airborne command and control capabilities. Beyond this, and arguably most importantly, they provide the critical 'look-down' radar surveillance capability for Russia's air operations. As such, not only can they generate an 'air picture' deep into Ukraine, but this also includes detecting low-flying aircraft which far-off ground-based radars cannot see. This is the currently primary operating regime for Ukrainian aircraft anywhere near Russia's 'overlay' of complex anti-air capabilities that extends deep into Ukrainian-controlled territory.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1438

                                      A summary of Russian (and Ukrainian) losses over the last year.

                                      Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.17.40 AM.png

                                      Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.18.38 AM.png

                                      This one is of visually-confirmed losses.

                                      Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.19.06 AM.png

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        The story:

                                        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/claims-swirl-around-supposed-strike-on-russian-a-50-radar-jet-in-belarus

                                        There has been quite the buzz this Sunday on social media about a supposed attack on a Russian A-50 Mainstay airborne early warning and control aircraft that is forward deployed to Machulishchy Air Base south of Minsk, in Belarus. We cannot confirm that this attack actually happened or the nature of the damage, if any, to the A-50 — the type has been a staple at the base throughout the war. But if it did occur, it would be a significant loss for the Russian Air Force and, depending on how it was carried out, it could be a sign of a developing front and what's to come in the now year-old war.
                                        The image seen at the top of this article was taken on February 19th. It shows the A-50 in its usual spot at the Belarusian air base. Various claims state that the aircraft, a variant of the Il-76 quad-jet cargo transport, was attacked via drone and damaged if not destroyed. There are also claims that this was done by a partisan group inside Belarus, which would be a significant development if true.

                                        The target here is very important, regardless. The A-50s are very low-density, high-demand assets and are one of Russia's major advantages over Ukraine in terms of the air war. The A-50 provides general wide-area aerial surveillance and airborne command and control capabilities. Beyond this, and arguably most importantly, they provide the critical 'look-down' radar surveillance capability for Russia's air operations. As such, not only can they generate an 'air picture' deep into Ukraine, but this also includes detecting low-flying aircraft which far-off ground-based radars cannot see. This is the currently primary operating regime for Ukrainian aircraft anywhere near Russia's 'overlay' of complex anti-air capabilities that extends deep into Ukrainian-controlled territory.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1439

                                        @George-K

                                        Belorussian opposition claim responsibility for drone attack on Russian aircraft:

                                        https://www.rferl.org/amp/belarus-russia-plane-attacked-guerrillas-surveillance-/32290065.html

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1440

                                          Good idea. Plausible deniability for Ukraine.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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