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  • George KG George K

    Latest word is that Putin plans to deliver (another) speech on Sept 30. On that occasion, he will announce the results of the (cough) referendum in the Eastern states, and therefore justification for annexation of those areas.

    Once those are part of "Russia," escalation, either by more mobilization or by use of different weaponry will be on the table. After all, the Motherland is being attacked, dontcha know.

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    George K
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    #918

    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Latest word is that Putin plans to deliver (another) speech on Sept 30. On that occasion, he will announce the results of the (cough) referendum in the Eastern states, and therefore justification for annexation of those areas.

    Once those are part of "Russia," escalation, either by more mobilization or by use of different weaponry will be on the table. After all, the Motherland is being attacked, dontcha know.

    Kremlin says Putin will sign ‘treaties’ to annex Ukrainian regions

    The move, in defiance of stern international warnings including from President Biden, potentially slams the door on diplomacy for years to come, and almost certainly assures further escalation of the war in Ukraine, with Kyiv insisting it will fight to reclaim all of its lands and Western allies promising to send more weapons and economic assistance.

    Putin’s recent declaration of a partial military mobilization, intended to activate hundreds of thousands of reinforcements for deployment to Ukraine, and the sabotage this week of two Nord Stream natural gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea have raised fears that the Russian leader is readying for a long hybrid conflict with NATO. Russian officials have also warned that it could use a nuclear weapon to defend the Ukrainian territories once they are absorbed into Russia.>
    Putin’s move, which is a blatant violation of international law, will further isolate Russia, triggering new Western sanctions. But Putin nonetheless appears to hope that a long, brutal war will eventually fray Western support for Ukraine and curtail military and economic aid that is providing a lifeline to Kyiv.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Jolly
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      #919

      I said earlier I thought we should take in some Ukranian refugees.

      Should we take in some Russian ones, also?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #920

        On Joe Rogan, Dave Smith talks about why Russia invaded Ukraine.

        I have no idea who Smith is, by the way.

        Link to video

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
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          #921

          Well...

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            Well...

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            Renauda
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            #922

            @George-K

            Yes, the risk is high that Putin will deploy one or more tactical nukes. Tomorrow’s annexation of Ukrainian territory will provide the convenient rationale.

            The US and NATO will respond accordingly should a Russian nuclear demonstration occur. The Cold War doctrine of Flexible Response will determine the actions of the Alliance.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @George-K

              Yes, the risk is high that Putin will deploy one or more tactical nukes. Tomorrow’s annexation of Ukrainian territory will provide the convenient rationale.

              The US and NATO will respond accordingly should a Russian nuclear demonstration occur. The Cold War doctrine of Flexible Response will determine the actions of the Alliance.

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #923

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @George-K

              Yes, the risk is high that Putin will deploy one or more tactical nukes. Tomorrow’s annexation of Ukrainian territory will provide the convenient rationale.

              The US and NATO will respond accordingly should a Russian nuclear demonstration occur. The Cold War doctrine of Flexible Response will determine the actions of the Alliance.

              Dumbest thing he could do.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @George-K

                Yes, the risk is high that Putin will deploy one or more tactical nukes. Tomorrow’s annexation of Ukrainian territory will provide the convenient rationale.

                The US and NATO will respond accordingly should a Russian nuclear demonstration occur. The Cold War doctrine of Flexible Response will determine the actions of the Alliance.

                Dumbest thing he could do.

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                Renauda
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                #924

                @Jolly

                I agree.

                Elbows up!

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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #925

                  And here we go:

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #926

                    "Syria, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are all staying silent"

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      And here we go:

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #927

                      @George-K

                      He should have waited until Gollum announced it in Red Square.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #928

                        Putin always chooses escalation:

                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/29/putin-always-chooses-escalation-a78923

                        Elbows up!

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #929

                          There's been a fair amount of reporting of Russian casualties - KIA, wounded and others.

                          I haven't seen much about Ukrainian losses lately. Last time I saw anything, there was supposedly a 1:3 ratio between the two forces.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #930

                            Putin speaks (live):

                            Link to video

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #931

                              Wonder what was able to be salvaged from all the abandoned or disabled Russian stuff?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #932

                                Ah, the John Deere Brigade...

                                https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainians-soldiers-are-refurbishing-abandoned-russian-tanks-and-trucks-191724346.html

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Putin always chooses escalation:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/29/putin-always-chooses-escalation-a78923

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                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Putin always chooses escalation:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/29/putin-always-chooses-escalation-a78923

                                  He's just a little guy.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Putin speaks (live):

                                    Link to video

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #934

                                    @George-K

                                    Parsing the vitriol:

                                    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putin-denounces-imperialism-while-annexing-large-swathes-of-ukraine/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGHLohcyGbb_OlzJ7jTbk4Q9bTLv8zBRNtGKkP2KEDbkjWONS8hTranaaDZE477RNM5L69010ElevhMLwl9tRlVMbq2o6enAfb0FPJdpMDj7w

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #935

                                      Nice, short, scary article. Thanks for posting that, Renauda.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #936

                                        Putin: takes Ukrainian territory, wants to claim attacks in annexed regions are attacks on Russia

                                        Zelensky: applies to join NATO, wants to claim attacks on Ukraine would trigger article 5

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Putin: takes Ukrainian territory, wants to claim attacks in annexed regions are attacks on Russia

                                          Zelensky: applies to join NATO, wants to claim attacks on Ukraine would trigger article 5

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #937

                                          @George-K

                                          Even funnier- Putin is yet still to figure it out that Russia is very much the junior partner to China in the New Cold War with the West.

                                          Elbows up!

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