The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:31 last edited by
Fractures continue but I can’t help but think Putin has something up his sleeve:
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wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:45 last edited by Mik
It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.
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wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:56 last edited by Renauda
There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.
Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.
"Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.
"The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."
wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited byFrom the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
"Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."
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There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.
Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.
wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:27 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.
Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.
That worries me greatly because I have no good sense of Ukrainian personnel losses.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
"Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."
wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 14:00 last edited byFrom a purely pragmatic point of view, however, Putin and his subordinates cannot admit any failure right now, or indeed react in any way to the retreat. They must continue to pretend that everything is going according to plan, and that the troops were simply redeployed in order to focus efforts on the more important prize of the Donbas. For this is what most Russians — tired of war and frightened of a general mobilization — want to hear. It is precisely this passive loyalty of the silent majority that keeps Putin in power. The ultra-patriots may make a lot of noise, but they are in the minority..
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wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 10:48 last edited by
Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
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wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:03 last edited by
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Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:05 last edited by@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
"Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."
wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited byFrom the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.
"Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."
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wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:29 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 17:01 last edited by
Russian hypersonic missile attacks..Russia? According to this Russia has used four hypers. Three hit Ukraine, but this one his Russia.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 02:33 last edited by
Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.
Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this
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Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.
Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 03:34 last edited by RenaudaPutin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.
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Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 12:14 last edited by
China.
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@Renauda
Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody? -
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 14:49 last edited by
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.
"Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 15:26 last edited by Catseye3From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.
"The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.
"The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."
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wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 16:42 last edited by
Meanwhile shooting starts/resumed between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Putin calls for peace.
Riiiight, Vlad.