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    Renauda
    wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:31 last edited by
    #810

    Fractures continue but I can’t help but think Putin has something up his sleeve:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/12/pro-kremlin-figures-voice-frustration-after-ukraine-routs-moscows-forces-a78769

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
      wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:45 last edited by Mik
      #811

      It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • M Mik
        13 Sept 2022, 15:45

        It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:56 last edited by Renauda
        #812

        @Mik

        There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

        Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

        Elbows up!

        M 1 Reply Last reply 14 Sept 2022, 13:27
        • C Catseye3
          13 Sept 2022, 13:32

          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

          "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

          "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

          "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

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          Catseye3
          wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
          #813

          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

          "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

          "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • R Renauda
            13 Sept 2022, 15:56

            @Mik

            There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

            Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

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            Mik
            wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:27 last edited by
            #814

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Mik

            There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

            Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

            That worries me greatly because I have no good sense of Ukrainian personnel losses.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • C Catseye3
              14 Sept 2022, 13:24

              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

              "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

              "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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              Renauda
              wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 14:00 last edited by
              #815

              @Catseye3

              From a purely pragmatic point of view, however, Putin and his subordinates cannot admit any failure right now, or indeed react in any way to the retreat. They must continue to pretend that everything is going according to plan, and that the troops were simply redeployed in order to focus efforts on the more important prize of the Donbas. For this is what most Russians — tired of war and frightened of a general mobilization — want to hear. It is precisely this passive loyalty of the silent majority that keeps Putin in power. The ultra-patriots may make a lot of noise, but they are in the minority..

              Article:

              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/kremlin-must-placate-its-supporters-amid-outrage-over-kharkiv-retreat-a78785

              Elbows up!

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                Mik
                wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 10:48 last edited by
                #816

                Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  George K
                  wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:03 last edited by
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                  Here come the "reinforcements."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • M Mik
                    16 Sept 2022, 10:48

                    Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

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                    George K
                    wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:05 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • C Catseye3
                      14 Sept 2022, 13:24

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                      "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
                      #819

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

                      "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        George K
                        wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:29 last edited by
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 17:01 last edited by
                          #821

                          Russian hypersonic missile attacks..Russia? According to this Russia has used four hypers. Three hit Ukraine, but this one his Russia.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-hypersonic-missile-may-have-accidentally-struck-russia/ar-AA11SnRD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbcb0342abef46baba0b4bc44693cf42

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 02:33 last edited by
                            #822

                            Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

                            Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

                            Modi Remarks to Putin on War

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                            • T taiwan_girl
                              17 Sept 2022, 02:33

                              Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

                              Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

                              Modi Remarks to Putin on War

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 03:34 last edited by Renauda
                              #823

                              @taiwan_girl

                              Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

                              Elbows up!

                              C 1 Reply Last reply 17 Sept 2022, 11:35
                              • R Renauda
                                17 Sept 2022, 03:34

                                @taiwan_girl

                                Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 11:35 last edited by
                                #824

                                @Renauda
                                Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 12:14 last edited by
                                  #825

                                  China.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • C Catseye3
                                    17 Sept 2022, 11:35

                                    @Renauda
                                    Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 14:23 last edited by
                                    #826

                                    @Catseye3

                                    I believe Jolly answered the question.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 14:49 last edited by
                                      #827

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • C Catseye3
                                        16 Sept 2022, 13:24

                                        From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                        "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

                                        "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 15:26 last edited by Catseye3
                                        #828

                                        From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                        "The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.

                                        "The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.

                                        "The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 16:42 last edited by
                                          #829

                                          Meanwhile shooting starts/resumed between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Putin calls for peace.

                                          Riiiight, Vlad.

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-putin-struggles-in-ukraine-conflict-in-former-ussr-states-explodes/ar-AA11U8UL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1343a303960e48a480e054490a3f1d8b

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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