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    Mik
    wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 16:28 last edited by
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    They won't. There's still a lot of Ukraine to take back.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • M Mik
      12 Sept 2022, 16:28

      They won't. There's still a lot of Ukraine to take back.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:08 last edited by
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      @Mik

      I agree they will not and nor can they afford to cross that border. The Russians will do everything possible however to provoke a border incursion. They will also more than likely claim a border violation in the coming days.

      Already I am hearing that Russian media is claiming that now the whole special operation was from the outset a response to Ukrainian violations of Russian border regions.

      Elbows up!

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        Mik
        wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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        Putin has really taken Russia into a deep, dark hole.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          George K
          wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:17 last edited by
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          One Twitterer said that Ukraine has to be careful to not outrun its supply lines - that was a fatal mistake that Russia made in the early days of the war.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            12 Sept 2022, 17:17

            One Twitterer said that Ukraine has to be careful to not outrun its supply lines - that was a fatal mistake that Russia made in the early days of the war.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:29 last edited by Renauda
            #804

            @George-K

            Yes that is a real danger although in this case the apparent the Russian skeddaddle is mitigating that threat as Ukrainians are retaking the rail hubs.

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:48 last edited by
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              Pretty hard to win when your army does not believe in the mission.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                George K
                wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 20:33 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 21:17 last edited by
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                  Escape foiled:

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 21:26 last edited by
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                    Bull's Eye...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • C Catseye3
                      12 Sept 2022, 15:09

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 11 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive. The Ukrainian success resulted from skillful campaign design and execution from the brilliant Canadian war strategist Renauda -- "

                      No, wait. Correction:

                      " -- from skillful campaign design and execution that included efforts to maximize the impact of Western weapons systems such as HIMARS."

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 13:32 last edited by
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                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

                      "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

                      "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:31 last edited by
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                        Fractures continue but I can’t help but think Putin has something up his sleeve:

                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/12/pro-kremlin-figures-voice-frustration-after-ukraine-routs-moscows-forces-a78769

                        Elbows up!

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:45 last edited by Mik
                          #811

                          It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • M Mik
                            13 Sept 2022, 15:45

                            It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 13 Sept 2022, 15:56 last edited by Renauda
                            #812

                            @Mik

                            There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                            Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • C Catseye3
                              13 Sept 2022, 13:32

                              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                              "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

                              "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

                              "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

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                              Catseye3
                              wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
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                              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                              "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                              "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              • R Renauda
                                13 Sept 2022, 15:56

                                @Mik

                                There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                                Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 13:27 last edited by
                                #814

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Mik

                                There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                                Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                                That worries me greatly because I have no good sense of Ukrainian personnel losses.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • C Catseye3
                                  14 Sept 2022, 13:24

                                  From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                  "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                                  "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 14 Sept 2022, 14:00 last edited by
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                                  @Catseye3

                                  From a purely pragmatic point of view, however, Putin and his subordinates cannot admit any failure right now, or indeed react in any way to the retreat. They must continue to pretend that everything is going according to plan, and that the troops were simply redeployed in order to focus efforts on the more important prize of the Donbas. For this is what most Russians — tired of war and frightened of a general mobilization — want to hear. It is precisely this passive loyalty of the silent majority that keeps Putin in power. The ultra-patriots may make a lot of noise, but they are in the minority..

                                  Article:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/kremlin-must-placate-its-supporters-amid-outrage-over-kharkiv-retreat-a78785

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 10:48 last edited by
                                    #816

                                    Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:03 last edited by
                                      #817

                                      Here come the "reinforcements."

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • M Mik
                                        16 Sept 2022, 10:48

                                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:05 last edited by
                                        #818

                                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • C Catseye3
                                          14 Sept 2022, 13:24

                                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                          "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                                          "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                                          Catseye3
                                          wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
                                          #819

                                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                          "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

                                          "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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