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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #808

    Bull's Eye...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 11 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

      "Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive. The Ukrainian success resulted from skillful campaign design and execution from the brilliant Canadian war strategist Renauda -- "

      No, wait. Correction:

      " -- from skillful campaign design and execution that included efforts to maximize the impact of Western weapons systems such as HIMARS."

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      Catseye3
      wrote on last edited by
      #809

      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

      "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

      "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

      "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #810

        Fractures continue but I can’t help but think Putin has something up his sleeve:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/12/pro-kremlin-figures-voice-frustration-after-ukraine-routs-moscows-forces-a78769

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #811

          It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #812

            @Mik

            There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

            Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

            Elbows up!

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            • Catseye3C Catseye3

              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

              "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

              "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

              "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

              Catseye3C Offline
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              Catseye3
              wrote on last edited by
              #813

              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

              "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

              "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Mik

                There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #814

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Mik

                There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                That worries me greatly because I have no good sense of Ukrainian personnel losses.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                  From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                  "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                  "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #815

                  @Catseye3

                  From a purely pragmatic point of view, however, Putin and his subordinates cannot admit any failure right now, or indeed react in any way to the retreat. They must continue to pretend that everything is going according to plan, and that the troops were simply redeployed in order to focus efforts on the more important prize of the Donbas. For this is what most Russians — tired of war and frightened of a general mobilization — want to hear. It is precisely this passive loyalty of the silent majority that keeps Putin in power. The ultra-patriots may make a lot of noise, but they are in the minority..

                  Article:

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/kremlin-must-placate-its-supporters-amid-outrage-over-kharkiv-retreat-a78785

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    #816

                    Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #817

                      Here come the "reinforcements."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #818

                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                          "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                          "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #819

                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                          "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

                          "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #820

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #821

                              Russian hypersonic missile attacks..Russia? According to this Russia has used four hypers. Three hit Ukraine, but this one his Russia.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-hypersonic-missile-may-have-accidentally-struck-russia/ar-AA11SnRD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbcb0342abef46baba0b4bc44693cf42

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #822

                                Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

                                Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

                                Modi Remarks to Putin on War

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

                                  Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

                                  Modi Remarks to Putin on War

                                  RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #823

                                  @taiwan_girl

                                  Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

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                                    Catseye3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #824

                                    @Renauda
                                    Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #825

                                      China.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        @Renauda
                                        Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #826

                                        @Catseye3

                                        I believe Jolly answered the question.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #827

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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