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    George K
    wrote on 14 May 2022, 14:29 last edited by
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    Fake News?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • G George K
      14 May 2022, 14:29

      Fake News?

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      Renauda
      wrote on 14 May 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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      @George-K

      I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

      Elbows up!

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      • R Renauda
        14 May 2022, 14:54

        @George-K

        I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:28 last edited by
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        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @George-K

        I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

        For now. My bet is Russia's military will grow as the propaganda machine wins over more Russians.

        Please love yourself.

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        • A Aqua Letifer
          14 May 2022, 15:28

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          @George-K

          I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

          For now. My bet is Russia's military will grow as the propaganda machine wins over more Russians.

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          Renauda
          wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:36 last edited by
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          @Aqua-Letifer

          I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

          Elbows up!

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            Mik
            wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:57 last edited by
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            I'd agree with that. Disillusionment is already spreading from what I read (and I'm quite sure we're helping that along). Short of nukes there doesn't seem to be any arrows left in his quiver, and I doubt he is mad enough to use them. I suspect if he were it would already have been done.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              14 May 2022, 15:36

              @Aqua-Letifer

              I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 14 May 2022, 17:31 last edited by
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              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Aqua-Letifer

              I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

              I'd very much enjoy being proven wrong.

              Please love yourself.

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                George K
                wrote on 14 May 2022, 22:15 last edited by
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                GroPos

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 15 May 2022, 11:59 last edited by
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                  "Russia has now likely suffered losses of one third of the ground combat force it committed in February."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 15 May 2022, 12:05 last edited by
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                    Two predictions:

                    1. In the near future, Russia will declare victory and cease combat operations.
                    2. It's not going to be pleasant for any Russian supporters left within the borders if Ukraine, democracy be damned.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • G George K
                      14 May 2022, 12:39

                      A fascinating thread on the botched river crossing by the Russians. Lots of theory on securing the location, obscuring what you're doing, etc.

                      How it worked out for the Russians:

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                      A more in depth analysis of what went wrong here.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 15 May 2022, 20:38 last edited by
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                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      A fascinating thread on the botched river crossing by the Russians. Lots of theory on securing the location, obscuring what you're doing, etc.

                      NYT is saying 400+ Russian KIA...

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 15 May 2022, 20:39 last edited by
                        #544

                        You keep using that word 'goal.' It does not mean what you think it means...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 15 May 2022, 21:15 last edited by
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                          To me it sounds like the preparation for a subsequent "We have eliminated the Nazi threat, hence we are done and can go home" statement to cover up the defeat.

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                          • K Klaus
                            15 May 2022, 21:15

                            To me it sounds like the preparation for a subsequent "We have eliminated the Nazi threat, hence we are done and can go home" statement to cover up the defeat.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 15 May 2022, 21:24 last edited by
                            #546

                            @Klaus yup.

                            Just like the "we NEVER intended to take Kyiv. Our real goal was the liberation of the East."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 15 May 2022, 22:51 last edited by Renauda
                              #547

                              I agree with both of you. Seems to me also that he is saying that what remains of Ukraine can go ahead and remain a militarised and nazified puppet of the USA. All this was the USA’s fault anyway.

                              Cold War rules, baby: Brezhnev Doctrine Revisited.

                              Elbows up!

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                                George K
                                wrote on 16 May 2022, 11:10 last edited by
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                                "Are you a patriot?"

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 17 May 2022, 11:14 last edited by
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                                  Putin involved in war ‘at level of colonel or brigadier’

                                  Vladimir Putin has become so personally involved in the Ukraine war that he is making operational and tactical decisions “at the level of a colonel or brigadier”, according to western military sources.

                                  The Russian president is helping determine the movement of forces in the Donbas, they added, where last week the invaders suffered a bloody defeat as they tried on multiple occasions to cross a strategic river in the east of Ukraine.

                                  The sources added that Putin is still working closely with Gen Valery Gerasimov, the commander of the Russian armed forces, in contrast to claims made by Ukraine last week that the military chief had been sidelined.

                                  “We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier,” the military source said, referring to the ongoing battle in the east of Ukraine.

                                  Moscow’s armies have so far failed to achieve a breakthrough in the Donbas, where they have been mounting an offensive for a month that has failed several times to encircle the smaller Ukrainian forces.

                                  No further detail to back up the statement was provided, although it was implied the assessment about Putin’s close personal involvement was based on intelligence that had been received.

                                  Colonels in the US army and brigadiers in the British army typically command a brigade, units made up of a handful of battalions – the latter of which is equivalent to the smallest operating unit in the Russian army.

                                  Russia’s military operates in a more top down fashion compared to western counterparts, with instructions typically sent to generals in the field. But Moscow’s faltering invasion has meant that it has been forced to send generals closer to the frontline, where up to 12 have been killed, according to the Ukrainian armed forces.

                                  Ben Barry, a former brigadier in the British army, and a land warfare expert at the International Institute of Strategic Studies, said: “A head of government should have better things to do than make military decisions. They should be setting the political strategy rather than getting bogged down in day to day activity”.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 17 May 2022, 12:26 last edited by
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                                    Can this be real?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 17 May 2022, 12:30 last edited by
                                      #551

                                      Hm, sounds too extreme. Not even Hitler did things like that (AFAIK).

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 17 May 2022, 13:11 last edited by
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                                        Why not? They've slaughtered many Ukrainian civilians that way.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • M Mik
                                          17 May 2022, 13:11

                                          Why not? They've slaughtered many Ukrainian civilians that way.

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on 17 May 2022, 13:13 last edited by
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                                          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Why not? They've slaughtered many Ukrainian civilians that way.

                                          Being cruel to the enemy is one thing. Being cruel to the own people is in a quite different league. If this has really happened - which I doubt - word will get around to very angry babushkas very quickly and backfire.

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